The 25-foot triple
If you weren't at Consol Energy Park last night in the eighth inning, you missed a bizarre play that resulted in the umpires enforcing a rarely applied rule and River City coming away with a triple on a sacrifice bunt.Here's what happened:
River City, leading 7-4, had runners on first and second with no outs and Andy Reilly at the plate. It's an obvious bunting situation.
Reilly put down a perfect bunt that traveled roughly 25 feet (maybe not even that far) up the third-base line, into the grass. Washington third baseman Michael Parker charged and tried to scoop the ball with his glove. Parker snow-coned the ball and it end up shooting out the top of the glove, back toward the dirt area around home plate, to the right-hand side of Washington catcher Alan Robbins.
Robbins was holding his catcher's mask in his right hand, and in an instinctive move reached down with his mask to stop the ball. It was sorta like a hockey goalie making a quick-reaction glove save. Robbins then scooped the ball up in the mask.
When play was stopped, the umpiring crew of Jeremy Stangelo (plate) and Matt Neador (bases) advanced both runners to home plate and sent Reilly to third base. The rule they were enforcing was 7.05 B:
Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance three bases, if a fielder deliberately touches a fair ball with his cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his person. The ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril.
You can make a strong case that Robbins didn't deliberately stop the baseball with his mask, but there was no doubt he intentionally scooped it up with the mask.
So how do you score the play? A check of the rulebook showed it was a triple, based on Rule 10.07 E:
... score a (triple) when the batter-runner is awarded three bases under the provision of Rule 7.05.
So there you have it, a 25-foot triple.
Labels: 25-foot triple, Alan Robbins, Andy Reilly, Jeremy Stangelo, Matt Neador, Michael Parker, River City Rascals
posted by Chris Dugan at
12:36 PM
88 Comments:
The O-R needs to give Chris a raise, this blog is really humming!
It actually should have been two bases. Once Parker glove the ball and reversed its direction, it became a thrown ball which is a two-base award, not three. And only if "deliberately" played with the mask.
Rule 7.05 D does indicate that it's two bases if a fielder deliberately touches a thrown ball with his mask detached from its proper place on his person. If the umpires were enforcing this rule, then they were saying it was a bunt single plus the two bases. It's not clear in the rulebook if the advancement is two or three bases from the start of the play, from the end or when the touching happened.
I've seen only one play like this. I was covering a Carmichaels vs. Chartiers-Houston softball playoff game in the early 1980s when, if I recall correctly, a ball was hit down the left-field line and the Carmichaels outfielder threw her glove at the ball to stop it. The batter was awarded three bases. I just can't remember if it was three bases from the end of the play or if the batter was was advanced to third base.
No matter. The official scorer for the WT hasn't got a clue in any event.
Where did they get this guy?
Better question, why do they keep him. Probably works for real cheap, like everybody else @ CEP.
This guy appears to have done nothing at the professional level before.
I suppose you only get what you pay for.
Not so nice to see Bob Gregg post on here again.
Go away Bob, there must be some tourism money to give to you buddies
why on God's green earth did you find it necessary to pick on the official scorer??? you need to get a life!
Because he was there
Thrown glove at a batted ball is a three-base award for any runners and the batter. This would be from where the runners were at the time of the pitch.
Thrown glove at a thrown ball is a two-base award for any runners and the batter. This would be from the last base legally occupied at the time of the infraction.
And I'm not going away anywhere. I was appointed to the Tourism Board nearly 20 years ago to make decisions in the best interest of developing and promoting tourism in Washington County. I've done that. And, in the present circumstances, seven other people voting agreed. Three did not.
The 25-foot bunt has absolutely nothing to do with the official scorer. Jeremy Stangelo, the homeplate umpire, immediately indicated the infraction as he saw it. End of story.
Advance the runners, put the batter on third. Record the triple for the batter, along with two runs batted in. That's what the official scorer was supposed to do. That's exactly what he did.
cough cough PUPPET cough cough
Chris, great blog!
Go hide somwhere Bob Gregg! With you being an active participant in stealing the taxpayers money for Astro turf? What a joke. And when we do run into each other I will tell you to your face. You sir, have lost a lot of respect in this town. Long after the wild things are gone we will still remember you helping in diverting tourism tax dollars for foeld turf.
Joe in Gabby,
You are one of the most despicable people that participates on this blog.
Almost everybody on here knows Ron is an elderly gentleman that has strong
beliefs and is outspoken about the issues he cares about. He has a character that you
very sadly lack – he has respect! This man is a combat veteran having served in two
branches of the military the US Air Force and the US Marine Corps. I seriously
doubt that you can match that!
Yes, he is a personal friend of mine and I know the REAL Ron Wilson. You should
be so lucky to have such generous person as your fried.. He has a heart as big as all outdoors and is
always ready render assistance to anyone that might need it. If you actually knew this man
your life would be much better for it.
Spew all the hate you want Joe, you are no where near the man he is!
Lloyd
Bob Gregg, why don't you just fade away? The fix was in and you were part of it! Stop the BS. There must be somewhere else you can be used a dupe!
How far up the WT butt do you have your nose?
I'll second your comments, Lloyd.
No, I’m not anywhere near the man he is. I'm third the size, a quarter his age, and sadly only one tenth the grump he is. Ohh, what wonderful aspirations I have. To one day, be but a reflection of the Great Ron Wilson.
To be Ronnie:
Once I get there, I will realize that I am right no matter what. The facts, opinions, and reality don't matter on the issue; I am Ron Wilson. I am entitled to more attention than the next fan. I can run the team better than any current management figure. Someone should feed me while I sit at my seat. Because of my age, I am entitled to more status. I am wise; what I say is gospel. Soon, I will circulate a petition to ban the use of the word, soda pop; just because I don't like it.
Oh the joy of trying to be Ron Wilson.
Thursday June 18th, I’ll be down there. Lloyd and Ron, have your caretakers bring you by 109.
Joe from Gabby
^^^^^
Real classy Joe.........
Joe,what the hell is that supposed to mean?Swing by 109.Are you proposing to do something to these gentlemen if they do?You're a real tough guy calling out old men.But knowing your type you will be sitting somewhere else,heck you will probally be a NO SHOW....Get a life LITTLE MAN and start screwing with someone your own age.
Continue on being the coward that are.You are impressing so many people.
Joe from ?????
What do you expect from a Wild Things stoog!
You are a really group Wild Things - really classy.
I think we should all get to CEP on Thursday and ‘visit’ that little turd Joe in Section 109.
Joe, the only thing big about you is your mouth!
Bill
Joe, your nothing but an as* hole! All Ron has to do to be greater than you is to breath.
What king of a shi*head would even THINK of called out a senior citizen? I hope some one hits you upside the head with a bucket of crap! You are just low-life scum, and that’s being complimentary to you.
This guy just has to be deranged to have that much hate against some one because he doesn’t like him.
North Franklin police, you should take note of this sort of threat! This is complete BULL SHIT!
Bob in E. Washington
I was planning to come to the game on the 19th. Can we switch the Battle Royale to that night? I'd like to be there to hold Ron's jacket for him while he takes care of business.
bob gregg
thanks for coming to the defense of the official scorer and laying out how the play was called. that was indeed what this thread was susposed to be about. keep up the good work, you still have some fans around. hopefully soon these people will quit bitching and moaning about everything.
Now I have seen it all! Some mental midget wanting to fight with an old man because he doesn't agree with his views.
Ron, if that moron even approaches you sue the Wild Things for not providing proper security. Ther is no doubt they are aware of this out and out threat.
Good Lord, if 'Joe' had any manhood
he would pick on someone near his age - someone about 5 years old!
Ding! Ding! Ding! In this corner, from Section 109 .... Ah, Wild Things fans. .... You stay classy Washington.
Lloyd said...
"Almost everybody on here knows Ron is an elderly gentleman that has strong
beliefs and is outspoken about the issues he cares about. He has a character that you
very sadly lack – he has respect!"
Don't for one second anoint Ron a Saint, just yet. Guess you don't remember his comment about wishing a lightning strike on Dutch. That was a classy comment!
Finally I understand, all Vets deserve RESPECT, even when they criticize all that do not agree with them! John Murtha ~ Ron Wilson, now I truly understand! Just continue to blame all comments on the WWT, that seems to be your modus operandi, all that oppose must be WWT because no one else would dare doubt the gospel according to you name calling turf haters (especially Bob from E. Wash.) To him everyone is either an idiot, moron, etc. Shame, Shame!
Hey Dutch, get off of here and go back to giving Ross a pedicure! Who cares if he hoped you got hit by lightning!
Maybe that will sell out the place. FL site says your averaging 2,500 fans??? PLEASE, you must be counting every comment on this blog as a ticket sold!
You are just as much entertainment as that darn Pro Tech Auto Glass announcement!
DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND???? The Wild Things want Chris to put up a blog so that people actually talk about the team. Any publicity is good publicity. They do it through Chris because he is a "neutural" factor.
If he didn't do this blog, no one would even know the team existed still. When was the last time you read something about them in the PG or Trib? People north of Canonsburg do not care about this
The Wild Things had a good run, the first 2-3 years were great. Then they forgot all about customer service and how to treat people. It's been all down hill since then. Time for them to move on and bring an affiliated team in here with some fresh blood.
I'd like to see some info about the "New Boss" Ms. Williams, and what she's done to turn this around... inquiring minds keep asking for it on here, but the OR is too tied up in bed to have the guts to write anything to upset the local stooges.
I'd like to see her reaction to all of the criticism the team is taking out in public. She has no people skills, so you won't be getting anything from here, at least Switek would answer to the people.
Thanks Observer Distorter!
As the Wild Things turn...
Thanks, anonymous poster, for giving us the dumbest post of the day. You say the O-R is tied up in bed (are you a bondage fan?) with the Wild Things to rock the boat. Have you suffered a severe head injury. This blog alone represents the discontent many have with the Wild Things, and it's presented by the O-R. I have written a blog item highly critical of the turf financing, and I work for the O-R. And the publisher of the O-R, for gawd's sake, voted against the turf funding. Yet you say the O-R is in bed with the Wild Things. Get a grip on reality.
That should be "too tied up."
No way is the O-R in bed with the Wild Things. Just look what has happened. Two years ago, Chris Dugan was shut out by the Wild Things players and manager after not sugarcoating the season.
This year, he tried to get an interview with Franni and she said no.
I have noticed the Wild Things don't get the pulicity they got the first several years from the O-R. The way they have treated the O-R people, if I owned the paper I would give them as little space as possible which may be happening.
The first two or three years were great. Remember the shirt off Teke's back. Rickie Rich (may not be right spelling) got the fans excited between innings.
The first year ended with the Budd Baer disaster, but fans forgave them. After several years, Teke disappeared and so did the Wild Things respect.
As far as Ron Wilson, I enjoy his comments. He helps to make this blog. If we all praised the Wild Things, this would be the deadest blog in the world. Usually the squeaky wheel gets greased, but the greese won't look good on the taxpayers turf.
They might as will turf the parking lot with tax payer's money!
Did everyone get this riled up when taxpayer money went to bail out Wall Street, banks, automakers, etc.? whew.....
Yes they did get riled up with taxpayer money getting used to bail out Wall Street, big banks, and insurance companies.
As a result they elected a new president and turned over the majority in both houses of congress to the Democratic Party.
Perhaps the same thing can happen to the local politicians that let the taxpayers turf happen when they go up for re-election.
"The Shirt Off Teke's Back." Now that was the best promotion/giveaway the Wild Things ever had. Forgot about that one.
Susan Boyle should have won the "Britain's Got Talent" Contest. This is about as pertinent as most of the entries on this blog! Calm down folks, just a joke, similar to the type your leader post on here!
The first few years, oh yes, they were the good old days. The promotions, the fans, the staff. Now the staff is all but new (still a few of the original cast present), and the fans, well, what can I say. I read this blog daily, and look forward to the comments (some good and some bad). I worked at Falconi Field for 4 years as a seasonal employee, and enjoyed every minute of it. But when the folks that started with the Wild Things started to leave, I decided that maybe it was time for me to leave also. Someone mentioned Mr Rich, man that guy could get the fans fired up. I can remember all 3500people chanting "give him the car" (that Budd Bear incident). Those days are gone, and there is a new sheriff in town, if you will. Hopefully, the Wild Things stick around for a long time.
I have never laughed so much as I do when I read this blog. There are more errors in one day than the Wildthings make in a year. Keep it up, I do enjoy a good laugh.
As for the comments: The ones for the Wildthings have not called names or defamed anyone. The few writing every day have called people idiots, morons assassins, nazis and more. So who should be worried? Only the ones that speak out for the Wildthings. They get lambasted everytime. You act like spoiled brats. Oh I did not CALL you a brat, I said you ACT like one.
Yes I go to the games and have season tickets and I enjoy them. These are young men trying to catch a break so why don't you give them one.
I'm not for the turf but something is needed for the outfield and if that's the way to go at least something is being done. The Wildthings are a good commodity for this community and I hope it's around for a long time.
Franni told me that all the "good" e-mails come into the Wild Things office. She said that they balance off all the stuff on the blogs.
I ain't fighting about the turf anymore. There is no reason to try to stop it cause it IS going to happen. They don't get it and NEVER will. We don't want it but that's not important. What is important though is that THEY want. So, you lose!
I sure hope that the fans make them feel real unconfortable about it though!
Ron Wilsn
Hey Ron, it doesn't matter what "you/we" want in regard to turf or natural grass. If you want a say, get together some $$$ and buy your own freakin' team. Then you can make all the important decisions and get lambasted on an idiotic blog! Until then, get over yourself. You aren't that important!
With the ball park built on top of a hill, you would think some french drain would solve the drainage problem. You could call it the taxpayers drainage.
Bob Gregg, perhaps you could bring up the issue and have the taxpayer funds fund the proper drainage. I think half a million would do it and the balance of the state grant could be transferred back to Mr. Rendell to help balance the state budget.
If you could pull this off Bob, you would be more of a hero than Mr. Wilson, Jamal, Franni, Ross, Gabby Joe, Brant, LLoyd, Bob from the South Strabane suburb, Obuma, or any one else.
I would even give up my beef about paying for parking.
"With the ball park built on top of a hill" and in the middle of an old swamp, or so I'm told. Not sure a french drain would help much. The water table up there is probably pretty high and when all the water runs off I79 and under the parking lot it only has one place to go...
Hey Ron, it doesn't matter what "you/we" want in regard to turf or natural grass. If you want a say, get together some $$$ and buy your own freakin' team. Then you can make all the important decisions and get lambasted on an idiotic blog! Until then, get over yourself. You aren't that important!
AMEN. Truer words have never been said
Bob Gregg, I challenge you to explain the benefit to the community or tourism in providing field turf. Why won't french drains do? Hoe will field turf eliminate the drainage issue and at the same time bring people to Wahington County? High school wrestling officials don't call stalling enough and WJPA's Sunday programming is delightful. Is Obama a full fledged commie?
If Ron and I were to buy our own baseball team we would have the fundamental good sense NOT to
buy a Frontier League team and we sure as hell would not tick off half of our customers over
something as simple as parking! How many people were happy when they had to jump through so many hoops just to be able to park! We would research such things as the property we were about to buy, lease, or rent. And we sure would learn about ‘customer service’. Just saying you are into customer satisfaction doesn’t make it so. Actually providing good service is another thing.
Franni Williams drove away more customers in the first two or three games this year than she knows!
All that the people in the stands were talking about was, “What it’s all the parking lot nonsense all about?” Of course, none of the WT employees had any answers. The fact that the Wild Things have already had to resort to BOGO’s on the Internet shows what sort of reaction of the fans to all the BS she has instituted since become the Commander at CEP. It’s a bit early in the season to offer BOGO’s.. How is that fair to the fans that hold season tickets?
None of Fanni’s screw-ups have any effect on me. After being harassed to death by the parking lot attendants the first two games I decided NOT to return to CEP, and I won’t! Nice job Franni. Most business want to welcome their customers and make a good impression. Franni’s idea of a ‘welcome’ is to have her customers wondering if they just entered The Twilight Zone, or the Land of Oz! Well, that does not work for me. The Wild Things are so confident that they have you by the ba**s that they only have to pretend to be nice and the yokels will do just anything to watch their amateur baseball. It all fits – amateur baseball managed by amateur business people.
Dutch struck by lightening? Anybody that thinks that Ron REALLY meant that had has to be on the same level as Franni – no sense of humor. That was obviously meant to be dry humor, Joe! Does one have to insert LOL after evrything they say for you to be able to understand?
You probably need to seek some professional help. You are so obsessed with hatred that you should be taken seriously with you threats. The crap you posting is very reminiscent of idiots at Columbine High School.
Wild Things, your supporter is a sick man, perhaps you should take note! This is NOT funny, it’s very serious.
Lloyd
BTW: Joe, I no longer attend WT games so you will just have to try to beat up a crippled old man and be satisfied with that, if you are not arrested for terrorist threats by communications first. If you would like to discuss it with me, I will be happy to do so. I am only 45 years old, 5’ 11” 185lbs. I sure we can settle our differences in a civil manner.
Joe from Gabby isn't the only individual to spew hate speech on here.You got Bob in E.Wash with his dose of banter.Jamal with his racist musings.I think everyone has posted something idiotic on here from time to time includind Ron wishing Dutch get struck by lightning to Lloyd wanting to buy someone a sandwich to watch them choke because he didn't like what they said.I even said things .No one who post's on here is no angel.
But the ones that grind my gears are the no name anonymous posters.They are cowards to me.
P.S. I see the road trip didn't start out well.I hope the Wildthing get it turned around.
Does it not seem rather strange that one million dollars of our tax money is being turned over to a woman to handle when she can't even manage three dollar parking?
Let the meltdown at CEP begin! As long as I have a job, I'll be forced to contunue to bail out Franni from her screw ups. It WILL get screwed - just wait.
No worry Franni, we can hardly wait to help you out - again!
What I find rather strange is that anyone would support the spending of $1 million to buy fake grass for the stadium used by a team that doesn't even rise to the level of being called "minor league." I like the games, mind you, but not at that cost to the public coffers. There simply has to be a better use in our commonwealth than buying turf for the Wild Things' field. Also, has there ever been a suggestion of a lawsuit against those who originally built a field that is clearly substandard?
I have spoken with Franni personally and she is a little upset about some of the post on this blog.
She feels it hurts her children to read the stuff of a personal nature that is posted about her.
I think she has a valid point and we should not make her the brunt of the situation.
No, I’m not trying to play the “good guy” here. I have come to accept the ‘turf’ as something, speaking only for myself, that I will just have to be accept. I don’t like it but the time has come to forget about it.
I’m not going to stop my opposition the way the finances were obtained. It is too late to stop this outrage.
However, as much public attention about what happened should be the focus now. It is amazing how many non baseball fans even know what happened! Franni told me that this is the work of John Swiatek and she has inherited this mess. I don’t know for sure what happened, I don’t know who the driving force behind all this was and probably never will.
I would like to see the day come that when someone mentions the Washington Wild Things, their first thought will be how they ripped the taxpayers, not about baseball.
So, leave Franni alone. It’s not right to upset her children about all this.
Ron Wilson
"...a field that is clearly substandard"...
so now you're also a structural engineer
"a lawsuit against those who originally built a field..."
you're certainly not a lawyer, at least hope not. most lawyers would recognize that the owner's, current or original (same in this case) would be the ones with standing to sue over a construction project. you have no standing, clearly.
Ray Charles could see that there's a problem with the drainage of that field. It doesn't require being a structural engineer. And I never suggested that I was going to file suit. You need to work on your reading comprehension.
Remember, the field also is used by California U., Trinity High School, some youth leagues games are played there, even some summer college league teams have played there, WPIAL and state playoff games too. It's more than the Wild Things playing there.
Sounds like Franni is trying to place the blame on someone else instead of accepting responsibility. She could have easily told the tourism people not to vote for the money for turf because the WTs don't want it. BUT NO!!!!!
A million dollars is a million dollars is a million dollars. It's too much public money for such a limited-benefit use.
A couple years ago the Wild Things applied to host the Big East baseball tournament and where rejected because the field was not up to par and that they prefer turf fields. Heard that straight from Ross himself. They feel confident they could get once they get the fake stuff.
One of the many Anons wrote: "Bob Gregg, I challenge you to explain the benefit to the community or tourism in providing field turf. Why won't french drains do?"
In response to a similar inquiry by Ron Wilson, I wrote:
IF it were possible, I would
rather see baseball played on grass. But CEP is a multi-use facility. You may not like that. You may feel like you
"were never told that" but that's what it is--a multi-use facility.
Tourism to the county will be enhanced because:
1) the annual usable season at CEP will be extended, making additional events possible, before/after WWT season.
2) changeover between events will be significantly quicker, enabling more in-season non-baseball events, and those events will wear & tear less on the field.
3) Events (whether WT Baseball, WPIAL/PIAA baseball, soccer, concerts, bullriding) that are scheduled will have
a greater likelihood of taking place as scheduled, making attendance in less than perfect weather more likely. Who wants to drive, get there, and find out event is cancelled due to yesterday's rain?
4) Every day maintenance of the playing surface will be reduced considerably, enabling BSI to allocate funds to
improve the other, oft-discussed, shortcomings of CEP--restrooms, concessions, etc.
Drainage--current & future--has to be addressed, whether turf goes in or not. The installation of the artificial surface includes a new drainage system.
Simply (and it's not simple to do) re-doing the CEP outfield drainage system only addresses one of those items (#3). It will not extend the usable season, improve changeover time and associated issues, nor would it reduce daily maintenance.
That is how installation of an artificial playing surface at CEP will affect tourism in the county.
Finally, let me re-state that THIS particular tax revenue is specifically restricted in how it can be spent. Just like Liquid Fuels taxes can only be spent on things specific to roads and roadway safety, and the Turnpike Tolls (taxes) can only be spent on items specific to the Turnpike.
By act of the Pennsylvania Legislature, by vote of the people of Washington County, and by appointment of the Board of Commissioners of Washington County, the Washington County Tourism Promotion Agency Board of Directors is responsible for deciding, with input and oversight of the Commissioners, the best way to use those funds generated by the Hotel Room Tax for the expressed purpose of Tourism Development and Promotion. As a result of a specific proposal from Ballpark Scholarships, Inc. presented to the board and following extensive evaluation and open discussion (O-R staff writer sitting in the room), the Board decided to move ahead with the proposal.
Some of you may not agree with the decisions made. Some of you may. But we (the Board) made, by an 8-3 vote, what we believe to be a decision in the best interest of Tourism Development and Promotion in Washington County.
As Ron Wilson & I have agreed, if you wish to discuss further, that's fine. If you wish to assassinate character, you're on your own. Neither he nor I have done that in these discussions or on these blogs. And neither of us have any intentions of participating in that type of activity.
Perhaps if Dutch got a slight strike of lightning, he would be more excitable.
Franni is acting like a little baby.
The Wild Things should look at the article on the front page of the O-R today for some ideas on how to improve attendance. It worked with an affliate baseball team.
The major drainage problem is not the water problem at the field, but the money grabbing of taxpayer money.
How long is the Wild Things legal commitment to play ball in Washington. What will keep them from selling the team to ownership in another city?
Is the Coury and Mylan story true?
If yes, that is another reason not to proceed with taxpayer turf.
I understand the parking issue surfaces from the attendants letting their friends in for free. Now with two people accountable, they think the problem is solved. They say to display the parking ticket on your dash. Does someone walk around during the game looking for cars without vouchers or season ticket stickers?
The Wild Things peaked when they had Teke.
This year they are stinking by ownership that is sinking.
Bob conveniently doesn't mention the $500,000 in state tax money that also will be spent on this project. I don't remember voting on that. Speaking of voting, anyone here familiar with conflicts of interest? That's a good question from Sickman about the Wild Things' legal commitment to field a team in Washington. I also wonder about these additional events that would be held at the ballpark. Who rakes in the most money from those?
A couple years ago the Wild Things applied to host the Big East baseball tournament and where rejected because the field was not up to par and that they prefer turf fields. Heard that straight from Ross himself. They feel confident they could get once they get the fake stuff.
Anon: If you actually believe ANYTHING Ross says you just have to be the most gullible person on this blog - no offense intended. That guy is just like an attorney. You can tell he's lying the minute you see his mouth move.
The thing that really blows my tiny little mind is the fact that these folks actually seem to believe that the people really think they are a beloved entity in Washington. They also seem the think they can do no wrong.
These people are not residents of Washington – they don’t care about you or Washington, except for your money!
They are an ”ownership group” stacked with attorneys. These sorts are the ones that can smell a bunch of suckers a mile away just as a shark. Sharks – attorneys! That’s sure is an appropriate comparison isn’t it?
All they have to do is get a nice LOOKING ball park, put a nice looking uniform on a bunch of guys that were good high schools players. Pay these guy a pittance and, viola! – you’ve got “professional” baseball, of sorts. Add some locals that have never seen a baseball game and the REAL game is on – the game of filling their wallets selling “snake oil” bush league amateur baseball. Lots of suckers here in Washington. I actually had one of those types, a neighbor, that told me it was just as good as going to a big league game! SUCKER! Just the kind of guy the attorneys were hoping to find! Now they hit the jackpot!
After a just a few years the nice LOOKING ballpark begins to fall apart. Now that is REALLY funny – the attorneys got suckered - Wow! Bull Shit Inc. (I stole that from a friend) suckered the WTs attorneys that suckered the bumpkins in Washington
Not to outdone, the attorneys that are the WTs have to get things paid for. Now they sure are not going in dig into their fat wallets are they?
The attorneys look around and see a big fat hog they can bleed at least a million bucks from. Re-enter the bumpkins that bought their “snake oil” the first time, add to that a guy named Bob Gregg and, problem solved. The taxpayers just ‘stimulated’ the WT ownership group by a million bucks. Didn’t cost the scum bag attorneys a dime! If I wasn’t a person of high values – I’d become an attorney, also. Trouble is you cannot wash the nasty smell off yourself!
Brant,
You did vote on that. You either voted for the Legislators who set the RACP budget from which that $500,000 is allocated. Or you voted against them. You either voted for Gov. Ed Rendell who signed off on that RACP allocation or you voted against him.
As far as my interest in the Wild Things goes, we have broadcast every Wild Things regular season and playoff game played, both home and away, since their inaugural season, 2002. As far as I know, we are planning to broadcast every Wild Things game as long as they play here.
My "personal pecuniary interest" does not change as a result of a "Yes", "No" or "Abstain" vote on this matter. Therefore, according to the State Ethics Commission, I have no conflict of interest in this matter.
You wonder about alot of things. I wonder why you don't pick up the phone and call the people about whom you wonder...be that BSI, the Wild Things, the Commissioners, the Tourism Board members, the state legislators, the governor. Then, perhaps, you could stop wondering and simply disagree, which is your right.
and how about that 25 foot triple!!!
What 25 feet triple.
There was 25 feet triple?
Who really cares?
We have been triple teamed by the Wild Things, BSI, and Bob Gregg.
After just reading Bob Greggs remarks above it becomes he lives by a double standard! No wonder he makes his living waging his tongue!
Bob in E. Washington
C'mon Bob. I have nothing personal against you, and I'm sure you're a lovely fellow, but trying to equate a vote for a lawmaker or a governor with a direct vote for the outlay of hundreds of thousands of dollars for fake grass smells a lot like what people put on real plants to make them grow? Talk about BS Inc. You try to make it sound like the good people of Washington County had some direct influence on the decision to pony up the turf cash, when you know darned well that's far from the truth. You're the only one on this blog post that voted for turf money. And while you may have gotten a legal opinion saying that you were within your rights to vote on the proposal, any unbiased observer would recognize your clear conflict of interest. The Wild Things games put some of the butter on your bread. Defend yourself with your tortured logic all you want. You're not fooling anybody.
Bob in E. Washington, I sir, truly feel sorry for you. It must be a terrible and miserable life you lead when the thing that gets you through the day is dragging others around you down to your level.
Well Bob, there you go again! Just vote the bastards out, correct?
You have spent too much time with your attorney fiends at the Wild Things.
You have managed to find a “legal’ loophole that allows you to have a conflict of interest while, at the same time, NOT having a conflict of interest! How convenient for you!
You know damn well that the same people that hold office in the second most corrupt state in America have darn well stacked the deck in their favor. Ass holes as Murtha, DeWeasel, Rendell ad noisome are ’lifers’ – the fix is in and will continue to be. Kool Aid drinkers as you are just their little puppets. They are a dime a dozen and worth not a penny of it!
To mention Pennsylvania State ethics policy is the same as saying “Al Capone said I could do it!”.
Political ethics and Pennsylvania – sounds like an oxymoron to me.
The vast majority of lawmakers are attorneys, nothing more needs be said.
The best thing anybody can do to protect themselves against attorneys, and people that associate themselves with attorneys, is to carry a jar of Vaseline in their pocket. Sooner or later, they, we, are going to need it. When you have outlived your usefulness to these rats they will dump you like they heard of you.
In fact, they will probably make you the fall guy.
They fact that you had to ask the ethics committee if there was a conflict of interest had to give you an uneasy feeling when voting.
How long will WJPA be broadcasting the Wild Things?
No one who know seems willing to come forward and tell when their contract in Washington expires they keep bobbing the issue!
Perhaps the addtional revenue from non baseball activities could be used to repay the taxpayer turf.
The whole thing just smacks of corruption at more than one level. The Wild Things are nothing more than cheap ass gold diggers. That’s what happens when lawyers get involved with ANYTHING. Shady deals and outright theft NOTHING, no matter how heinous, is out of bounds for these jack-asses at the Wild Things. They have their people shoot out post on this blog assaulting Ron Wilson because he had the audacity to use his real name. They shamelessly use young kids at the field for less than minimum wage. Why, because their lawyer friends have made that possible. They screw the very people that have supported them for years. Now the crap heads steal money for something that will benefit them MUCH more than anybody else. How much does this cost them? NADA, NOTHING, ZILCH. Why should they pay their own way when they can use all sorts of legal ways to get us to pay it for them? Just a bunch of low life Adam Henrys!
Be damned if I'll leave my name here.
Brant, we don't have a town hall form of government. Our representative government is elected by the people. If those people don't like what they get in those representatives, they get the opportunity to change them.
Because you didn't vote for the people in office, you don't have to follow the laws they pass?
Because you voted against the twp. supervisors who passed the ordinance putting a stop sign at a intersection you don't like, you don't have to stop at it?
You didn't vote for the school directors who just decided to increase your school taxes. So, you don't have to pay them?
Your disagreement with a decision means that those who made it are corrupt?
Done with this discussion, at least in this forum.
Say Bob Gregg, you a lot of nerve. I really can't figure how you can go out in public without a clown mask over your head.
Bill
Thanks for the hearty laugh, Bob. That was your funniest attempt yet to confuse the issue. The smokescreens don't work. You're making yourself look more ridiculous by the minute. Maybe it's best, for your sake, that you don't try to discuss this any further.
Guess what?
The Wild Things lost another game tonight!
I love the Wild Things.
They are the best thing to happen to Washington County.
I like taxpayer money to be used for artificial turf.
I like Bob Gregg who is a true conservative in the use of taxpayer money.
I like Franni. She has improved management since she took over.
I like Ross. He has done a fantastic job last and this year.
I like Dutch. A real good between innings person.
I like the ecomomical parking rates.
I like the short concession lines.
I like the excellent prices for food and drink at the park.
I like the friendly staff.
I like the PA announcer, a true professional.
I like the loud PA system.
I like the advertisement for Pro-tech auto glass.
I like the guy that blows his horn real loud.
I think the Wild Things have the best pitching in the league. Credit should be given to the pitching coach who resigned and Mr. Mason.
I like the fact that they close the concession stands early to make it easier for me to find one that is open.
I like the excellent fireworks. They last so long.
I like seeing politicians in stands.
I like the Nazi usher.
I like the two stop system when paying for parking.
I like the that the players are paid excellent wages.
I like the excellent quality of baseball played at Consol Field.
I like that they renamed the field after Mr. Falconi's contract ran out.
I like the other revenue producing events held at the park like concerts and bull riding.
I like the higher priced parking for special events.
I like the fact that you do not get a refund on parking when there is a rain out.
I like that the employees and interns are paid excellent wages.
I like the tip jars at the concession stands.
I like that the concession workers are some prompt and attentive when waiting on customers.
I like that the concession workers only handle one person at a time and don't start the next order until the fist one is completely finished.
I like the fact that the ballpark was built with 100% private money and no taxpayer money being used.
I like the open records kept by BSI and the public knowledge on baseball scholarships awarded.
I like the Wild Ones fan club and the support given by Wild Things management to the Wild Ones.
I wish they would bring soccer back and I miss the soccer marker on the playing field.
"and how about that 25 foot triple!!!"
Yes! Classic line right there.
Mr. Dugan, as a fan of the actual baseball discussion on here, can you simply have somebody at the paper make another blog to let everybody complain in there own private forum?
Hate speech, racist musings, stealing of taxpayer money, calling one another idiots...this is why the Frontier League considers Wild Things fans the trailer trash of the league. You stay classy Washington.
Liar,
That was really good. Nobody at the WT will catch the humor though.
Franni will run around the city with reprints of it telling evryone that it is proof that we all just love the rip-off artist at CEP
Bob Gregg,
I read your post last night. It seems that your point was that we should just vote the people out of office that made this public rip off possible. I agree with that view.
I was wondering if you know what the number one job of an elected representative is?
I know you said you were through with this thread so if you feel you must not answer I’ll respect that.
Ron Wilson
"Frontier League considers Wild Things fans the trailer trash of the league."
The entire Frontier League "trailer Trash"
Brian said,
Mr. Dugan, as a fan of the actual baseball discussion on here.
Brian, the blog is called "Wild About Things"
The discussion IS about the Wild Things!
The WT have been a farce since the first season. The whole operation. There are some very nice and thoughtful people who work there, but there is one simple fact that remains through all of these arguments:
***The baseball is an inferior product being stuffed down people's faces as a "pro" "sport.***
From the turf, to the parking, to whatever, if what the customer was getting in return was a good product, no one would complain.
And to those of you who say the Pirates stink and they are more expensive and that is why you get to WT games, you couldn't be more wrong. Each night at PNC Park, a customer has the chance to see the very best of that profession.
At CEP, the customer PAYS to see the very worst of a profession. No knock against these guys because some of them try hard, but they are the worst players who have tried out as professionals FL is lowest level of "pro" baseball.
Would you go spend your hard-earned dollars at a movie where you know the reviews, cast and plot are terrible, but a few guys from Washington county made it and it costs three dollars less than the new release at the big theater in Pittsburgh? And would you pay to park at the crappy movie here in Washington? I don't think so.
I don't know who is right and who is wrong in this turf-tax debate. But if the team is going to stay, please get some affiliated baseball in here. What counts first and foremost is the quality on the field.
non said,
'I don't know who is right and who is wrong in this turf-tax debate.'
Anon,
It all depends whos Ox is being gored! I don't see any blood running out of the WT office, but I see our wallets bleeding badly.
So, leave Franni alone. It’s not right to upset her children about all this.
If Franni wants to be out of the limelight, she should have kept her nose out of PRO sports team. And once you take Public Money, all bets are off, same as government, educators, public officials.
I'm sure Kevin McClatchy or Jerry Jones would like everyone to talk nice about them too, but it won't happen when you run an empire such as WWT the way she does.
The WT need to have the field repaired. My lawn needs a total redo also.
Why not just let the people that actually attend events at CEP pay for this ‘makeover’?
Instead of three dollar parking why not make it six dollars. Since this is professional level baseball, I’m sure baseball fans would gladly pay fifteen to twenty bucks for a ducat to watch it. (Watch out for all the “scalpers” in the Crown Center parking lot).
There must be thousands of good people willing to pay 3 or 4 hundred bucks to see Willie Nelson sing and smoke dope at the same time! Parking for that event could be 50 dollars a shot! I would be more than willing to watch a bull throw a rider over the right field wall and, at the same time, stomp it’s own excrement deep into the turf! That would worth about one hundred buck to see. Would that be fun, or what?
So with all these folks willing to shell out BIG bucks to watch all this stuff the WT will be able to pay for their own maintenance with THEIR money, not ours!
These are an absolutely a shameless bunch. Of course, there are attorneys in their hallowed halls! There is NO vacuum, just attorneys suck! Watch out Grandma, the little bastards just graduated from law school!
Meanwhile, I pay my hard earned money to have my own lawn redone at MY expense. You know, the WT attorneys used their influence to get Bob Gregg to vote NO on some tourism tax money for me.
Hmmmm!!!!! Wonder how that happened?
"Each night at PNC Park, a customer has the chance to see the
very best of that profession. ...
play for the visiting team.
I find it interesting that Bob Gregg's take is to just 'vote out' the official if you don't like it.
Yet, his position was made by an appointment (his words).
So one is to know who to vote for ahead of time and know who they will appoint for this situation?
I guess it's no wonder Gregg uses hot air as his source of employment.
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