Negative stuff
Here is the link to the story in Thursday's O-R that has caused my email's inbox to fill up:
Check out the story here.
Check out the story here.
posted by Chris Dugan at
12:02 PM
posted by Chris Dugan at
12:02 PM
174 Comments:
Just a shame. Kudos to Chris D. for telling us the truth. A dark day for that organization. Hopefully this won't turn too many away from the ballpark in 2008. Makes it hard to root for guys after you read stuff like this.
Chris, I was in the clubhouse all year long. I know for a fact none of the players like you and nor do they like taliking to you because of one simple fact. You are a douche bag.
I can not attest to whether or not Chris, as the previous poster said is a "DB". I can attest to the fact that if you have people in your "fan-friendly" organization saying this type of garbage in a public forum, the organization itself has serious problems. Sounds like a "fan-friendly" clubhouse to me!
Sincerely,
A now former season-ticket holder
THE PLAYERS AND COACHING STAFF HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES. I REPEAT BLAME THEMSELVES. CHRIS DUGAN DOES NOT FIELD THE BALL OR DOES HE BAT AND MAKE COACHING DESCIONS. NOBODY REMEMBERS THE REGULAR SEASON THEY ONLY REMEMBER THE PLAYOFFS. HIS JOB IS TO WRITE ARTICLES IN THE PAPER AND THATS WHAT HE DOES. QIUT BEING SUCH BABIES AND REALIZE THAT.
I would call the Wild Things players Bush League but that would be a compliment. What's lower than Frontier League? Maybe only Little League.
I have been one of the bloggers that has been riding Mr. Dugan's butt.
Now I must apologize to him for all I ever said. Chris please accept this as 'from the heart".
What the Wild Things did to you,and their fans, was TOTALLY unacceptable - absolutely classless.
The players reflect the organization particularly their
Field Manager. John should be embarrassed about his role in this incident, it's probably time for him to move on! It will be REALLY interesting to see how Mr. Swiatek and Mr. Vecchio handle this P.R. mess. They seem to have a way of wiggling their way out of these sort of things, but this could get interesting. So far their silence speaks volumes of
about the organization as a whole.
The entire organization owes their existence to the fan base but they seem to feel it's the other way around - WRONG!!!
The Wild Things organization is starting to think they can do NO wrong in this town. They certainly don't know how to handle problems and feel that they can treat their customers (fans) any way they desire. In other words - THEY ARE GETTING A LITTLE TOO BIG FOR THEIR PANTS!!!!
BTW: I would hope that someone does some snooping around and finds out you called you a DB because it obviously came from somebody with access to the clubhouse - that individual should be terminated - you do not deserve that sort of rudeness.
Geez, what a way to end the season. The Wild Things disappoint us - again, then like a bunch of little children, refuse to have a few comments for their supporters.
Well,
this this is the VERY minor Frontier League, perhaps we, the fans, should be as bush league as they and just stay away from Consol Energy Field.
Hell, I've lived in Washington all my life without the benefit of having the Wild Things here. So, my message is: Wild Things why don't you either get some class or, better yet, just pack your bags and get out of Dodge??
Another thing, Why is it that the Wild Things are the ONLY Frontier League team to charge for parking?? I know Windy City has a parking fee of $2 but that is out of their control as the parking lot is owned by another company. Come on Wilds Things, quit ripping us off!!!
Let me just say this, I've worked with Chris Dugan for 15 years and have found him to be a professional in every circumstance. For somebody from the organization to say that about him shows a complete lack of class - if in fact you are in the organization. Since you were a real man and posted under the name anonymous, we'll never know.
The players were classless not to talk after the game - period. The media is their outlet to the fans. Whether the players like it or not, Chris is their messenger to the fans. And the Wild Things owed the people who supported them all season long an explanation for what happened in that series.
They didn't do that. And considering the manager knew they weren't going to talk, he should have nipped that in the bud. But it shows a certain lack of class on his part as well that he didn't.
Chris, I thought you job was to be a reporter. Reporters don't always have the story handed to them on a silver platter, sometimes they have to go out and work for it. You know, like found out why certain things are going on. Maybe, just maybe, the players were all doing just as they were instructed to do. Ever think of that? And if players were instructed to give no comments, just like with any workplace or group of people, there is always that one jerk that speaks out anyway in a unprofessional manner. That doesn't mean that that is how the whole team feels, so don't be so quick to judge the actions and immature words of one player and make it seem like it is being represented by the entire team.
Wow, this is my first time to this bloggin world and i have been catching up on all this "stuff". I've been working with the Wild Things for the past two summers and I can honestly say that what the players did was classless and absurd to the fans and to the city of Washington. Sure its tough to lose a game five after being up two games to none, and sure its tough being criticize in the newspaper, but thats the profession as an athlete. If these guys can't handle that at this level, then they will never make it in professional baseball. Chris Duggan is a good reporter and good person in my mind, and his job is to ask the tough question and to write an article about the team whether they win or lose. My last point that I would like to make is that dont characterize the whole organization as classless or any of that. This classless act might be that of the coaching staff or a couple of players. The people of Washington and other close areas should be happy that they have a sports team. The Wild Things have been a good thing for this community and for southwestern pa. They are now a fixture in my mind and I would be devastated to see them or the management go. So people this might be a dark day, but dont go crazy and completely discount the great work that this organization has done!!
As a season ticket holder I'm very disappointed in the Wild Things.
i seldom read the newspaper. my wife insisted i read this article. surprized i was. for a while i thought the coach was totally out of line here. not to mention a great group of very hard working young men being this gross. i've had a change in my thinking. would they have all done this without divine intervention ? this puts them all in a bad light and i don't think it was their idea ! but why would this come to pass ? whomever drempt this up needs a good flogging on the mound at the 2008 home opener !
To a previous Anonymous:
Believe me when I say I'm not shallow enough to make a blanket judgment of the character of 25 players based on one incident or the actions of one person. Most of the players I don't know well enough to judge if they're good guys, bad guys or something inbetween. There are some guys on that team who I know, from talking to them numerous times, from talking to their parents, from talking to people who know them, are good human beings who have my respect and always will, even if they think I'm a "douche bag" or not.
If the players were instructed not to comment, as you theorized, then that would go down as the dumbest decision in the 15-year history of the Frontier League. Why would that decision be made? It makes no sense.
Had that been the case, surely Maz would have said, "Chris, the clubhouse is closed. No interviews tonight. I'll speak for the team," or the players would have said, "Sorry, but we've been instructed not to say anything."
Had this theory been put into action, and Maz did nothing to indicate that he would be the only person speaking for the team that night, then he would have been setting up his players and his employers to look bad. Nothing good could have possibly come out of it and surely he would have seen this.
Talk about "Damage Control"! These players have just undone the hard work of the organization for the last six years! The Wild Things will have no choice but to clean house, players,coaches, etc. for next year. Facts are facts, they have lost in the play-offs since the first year. Don't blame a sports writer for pointing out the facts. The fans are the ones that just got slapped in the face. This area loves baseball, we keep going to Pirate games and supporting all the area youth games. Who do these players think that they are? There is a reason that they are not in the major leagues, or for that matter, the real minor leagues! We still support them! Management has their work cut out for them now, and I wish them well. As for the current players, get on with your lifes work!
It sounds like the Things were made up of 24 more Barry Bonds (character wise, certainly not performance wise).
I wonder what the attendence would have been this year if the OR had snubbed the organization?
I guess you can see why none of these brats will be picked up by the major league organizations.
Chris, spend your time next year covering youth baseball. The young kids are more professional then the Wild Failures. As Chuck Knoll would have said, get on with your life's work, Wild Failures, your like's work certainly is not baseball.
There is a reason these "professionals" are playing in the Frontier League. We have just witnessed one of them with Chris' story. The O-R makes these "professionals" into heros in this town. The very last thing they should have done was turn their backs on the O-R. There are more important things going on in the summer than covering Wild Things baseball. One, for example, that the O-R should choose to cover is a pickup game at Washington Park. At least those kids may have some class...or a brain.
Before the gallows are re-built behind the County Courthouse, and one-by-one all employees are lined up, strung up and hanged, let's take a deep breath.
What the players did Monday night was wrong. It was orchestrated. It was unprofessional. And it was a mistake. A big mistake, granted. But a mistake.
Somebody in leadership, be it a veteran among the players, be it a coach, be it the manager, should have stopped it before it ever started. It was known that it was going to occur. The manager told CD that it was going to happen. It should not have been allowed to happen. Those that have the abiltiy to act have the responsibility to act. Being a professional, sometimes you have to do what you don't want to do.
Before the whole organization gets tarred, feathered, and put on the next train out of town, let's take a deep breath.
Should there be repercussions from the mistake? Absolutely. Should organizational leadership ensure that the appropriate lessons have been learned? Without question. Should there be a complete clean-sweep of the clubhouse? I doubt it.
A bunch of young men made a mistake, a serious mistake. Fortunately, in this case, nobody died, nobody's going to jail, nobody's going to spend the rest of their lives in a wheelchair as a result.
As a journalist, I find what happened to be totally unacceptable. As a colleague of CD, I find what happened to be unbelievable. As one who has been "around" the Wild Things nearly from the beginning, I find what happened to be indefensible. As one who works with kids in a youth group setting, I find what happened to be a "teachable moment" from which many can grow and learn.
Here's hoping lessons have been learned and this chapter of the book is closed.
Seems Bob Gregg just Doesn't get it - again!!
As far as I'm concerned the Wild Losers can take a hike out of town now! Don't let the door hit you in your classless ass!!
John and Ross, (ownership and general manager) how are you going to correct this?
I don't think this subject should die until we hear from top management!!!!!
"Anonymous said...
Seems Bob Gregg just Doesn't get it - again!!"
Perhaps you're right, anon. Perhaps I don't get it.
But this I DO get: I'd rather live in my world than yours. I'd rather be hopeful in the restoration of my fellow man than participate in his execution. I'd rather see opportunity for improvement than reasons to scrap the project.
Perhaps I'm naive. Perhaps I'm just a dolt that grew up in Little Washington, marked by unaffected simplicity.
But it's a better team, a better town, a better world if I'm right than if you are. But that only matters if that's what you're interested in, and nothing you've written leads me to believe that to be the case.
First there was the "great blanket give-away fiasco" about a month ago. During this little episode many persons, including myself, were ordered by the security guard NOT leave the ball park to take my blanket out to my car. This was a clear violation of our right to free movement, in short, false imprisonment! When I protested to the management they took no action, at least not that I could see - they just tried to distance themselves from the problem.
Now, we have this mess. These are supposed to be "Professionals"? There doesn't seem to be much of anything truly professional about the Wild Things, the team or the management. The very fact that they have not responded
as yet, after this much time has elapsed, speaks volumes of their lack of concern about what the loyal fans think!
I e-mailed Mr. Swiatek this morning to call his attention to this blog - just in case he was unaware of it, which I truly doubt. The only person in the Wild Things management that really tries to solve problems is Christine Blane. Otherwise, the
office personal could screw up an iron ball!!
If I had known that the players were going to show such a lack of appreciation for the fan's support
I would not have attended games when I really did not want to go, not to mention spending my money there! After all is said and done, the Wild Things were the ones that blew it!! It was not Chris Dugan's fault that two runners were picked off second base during game four. It wasn't Mr. Dugan's fault that Chris Sidick attempted to swing for fences in the bottom of the ninth inning instead of just trying to put the ball in play!
Chris, I suppose that you are to report ONLY the good things when it comes to this organization. The Wild Things are VERY "professional" were it comes to accepting accolades but VERY "unprofessional" when it comes to ANY sort of criticism.
At the very least the entire coaching staff should be released immediately and an apology issued by the Wild Things management as well as the Frontier League Office. But, don't hold your breath!!
Ron Wilson
Immediate Press Release::
John Swiatek and Ross Vecchio in a joint press release have named Chris Dugan as "Manager of Season Ticket sales for 2008".
"There will be no further comment"!
Were John Swiatek and Ross Vecchio in the locker room after the 5th game?
If not, I wonder why they did not make the trip!!!
While I agree that silence was not the wisest decision for the team, I cannot believe that it has caused such an uproar. This organization brings so much to our community. I grew up in Washington, and this team is one of the reasons that I come back time and time again. I think that everyone needs to keep in mind that these young men have worked very hard their entire lives and have talent that most of us can only dream of. How many of you Wild Things bashers have ever even come close to playing professional baseball??? Who are we to judge these players - they are human, and we don't know why they didn't speak, so why debate? I understand that it's CD's job to write the things that he writes, but just imagine being on the receiving end - imagine waking up the day after one of those games and reading the OR, only to be humiliated some more by the town that is supposed to be your support.
I am a loyal Wild Things fan and will continue to support the team. I was blessed to meet one of the most wonderful people that I have ever known, and guess what....he is a member of the "silent team". There are very talented athletes and wonderful people in this organization that I am positive will go on to do great things. We ARE going to win it next year!
Bob just needs to stick to being a homer, and keeping his nose out of the discussion.
We all know where your nose is more times than not, and it's brown.
Wild Things off field actions – not much to be proud of
The Observer Reporter has certainly covered the Wild Things extremely well since there first year and has done so ever since.
Sports writer Chris Dugan has done a great job - has even been named "sports writer" of the year a few times by the league officials.
Washington’s manager should look at himself to blame for this year's failures in postseason - just as he has done 4 times previously. Unfortunately his players will merely reflect his actions and in this case -very "poor actions" in shunning a newspaper reporter who traveled all the way to Chicago to write about our local team.
Too bad for the players who learned from Mgr Massaelli a very "non-professional" way to act. Too bad for the team's owners and general manager who by their silence on this, must have supported his position. Too bad for area fans who have supported the Wild Things - not much to be proud of by our "home teams" actions.
-a disappointed fan
Chris: I read your article, and couldn't believe what I read. You do a fantastic job reporting the Wild Things, as do the WJHPA radio guys. Keep up the good work.
And remember, there's always the Pirates.
I have been to several Wild Things games this season and found everyone to contain family fun. The players, the coach and the entire staff were fun and friendly. My family and specifically children had a blast! Keep baseball fun....the negative comments should be withdrawn.
Bob, keep up the good work.
But remember this:
Never try to match wits with an idiot. They'll pull you down to their level, then beat you with their experience.
You, Randy and the rest of the crew do a GREAT job!
Anybody that has only been to "several" games has no idea of the big issue involved here.
This isn't a blog, it's a message board.
Also remember this too Bob: People that give advice through cheesy passages are bigger idiots.
Except they are the last to know.
Anon, I didn't write the "cheesy passage" you referred to. I was at Chartiers-Houston to broadcast the Bucs' football win over Beth-Center.
You've got a burr under your saddle regarding me. That's your business. And, that's your problem, particularly since you have chosen not to address them directly.
Too bad you chose to use this current incident regarding the Wild Things to attempt to discredit what we do.
Trash the Wild Things if you want. Trash me if you want. You've shown what your made of. Say whatever you want.
Bob does give a great sermon does he not?
To listen to his broadcast would think he owns the Frontier League!!
Those two guys sound like Laurel and Hardy.
My favorite part of this is that maybe two people outside of Washington care about the Wild Things. How could they neglect they only people that care about them playing, the fans at CONSOL and the O-R???? Who do they think they are? The New York Mets? They are a bunch of castoffs. Talk to the media, guys. They are one of the few that care that you even exist as professionals, and that is a term I use VERY loosely. And nice job going after Bob Greg. He shows up to broadcast your games. The PONY league world series teams make you guys look like minor leaguers, in class and on the field.
Chris, can you put up a poll for us? Will you attend the same amount of games, more games, or less games after the result of the championship series and the crybabyness that followed. I would be really interested in how many would consider staying away from the Whiny Things.
I am not the least bit concerned about the players. They have shown, without leaving any doubt, what they think about their fans.
What I am concerned about is the fact that Mazz, and yes I am laying this entire situation at his feet, allowed this to happen. He should have, at the very least, become the spokesman for his team. That his group of players were not mature enough to handle this loss should have been recognized and he should have taken the appropriate action. However, this entire situation seems to have been pre-planned and Mazz appears to have known about it. If I am wrong here then I will apologize to him, but that is the way it seems from reading CD's article in the O-R.
Also, just where were John and Ross that they did not even know about this until Wednesday afternoon almost 48 hours after this went down? Does this mean that neither one of them bothered to travel with the team to the game? Sort of shows how important this game really was to the Wild Things management doesn't it? One would surly think that the Wild Things management should have been represented. I don't think winning a championship is nearly as important to them as they might want us to think. What IS important seems to be that the turn styles keep turning.
How do we account for the fact that we STILL haven't heard a peep from them - they are probably conjuring up some cock and bull story for us about how important we, the fans, are to them - you know, the "same old-same old" BS. It seems to me that if there was ANY sort of regret about this unfortunate situation, the management would have almost literally jumped out of their skin to remedy the problem.
When Windy City had another losing season last year their management took strong action to satisfy their fans - they actually guaranteed a winning season or they would give FREE season tickets to the current season ticket holders! Can you, even in your most wildest of dreams, imagine the Wild Things would make such a commitment? What we get is disrespect from the players we cheered for all season!
Come on Wild Things lets see you come up with a really good reason for your lack of immediate response. We are STILL waiting to hear from you!!!I sure hope it's not going to be the old "we need to investigate" excuse. We know it happened. We know the players and coaching staff showed a total lack of respect for their fans. You know it too!! Tell us why we should continue to show the same community support for you as in the past! It's Saturday - we're still waiting to hear even a little tiny sound from you.
Ron Wilson
The treatment of Chris Dugan by the Wild Things players and so-called manager was simply shameful, especially when one considers that the people involved are, at least chronologically, adults. It was bush league, which, considering that they're playing in a bush league, is perhaps appropriate. Most of these players have always been "big fish" in little ponds, and now, even though they are little fish in an extremely small pond, they still seem to have a sense of entitlement, a feeling that their miscues should be glossed over and their smallest achievements glorified. They seem to have very high opinions of themselves as athletes, even though they couldn't even compete with a good college team. Chris Dugan has been my friend and colleague for 17 years, and I can tell you, without reservation, that no one works with more professionalism and integrity. The Observer-Reporter has been hugely supportive of the Wild Things since their inception, and this incident is nothing less than a slap in the face and a biting of a hand that helps feed them. Some have tried to minimize this in their blog comments, but holier-than-thou platitudes from Pollyannaish local media types who have never said a discouraging word (picture monkeys with paws over eyes, ears and mouth) are hardly worthwhile additions to the discourse. And those of you who like to make your comments anonymously - especially the player who made the clubhouse comment and the person who made the "douche bag" remark on this blog - are the lowest form of gutless cowards. If you truly believe what you're saying, have the "stones" to put your names on your statements or talk to Chris face to face. Don't hide behind your mothers' skirts. In closing, maybe the next crop of Wild Things will realize that they're being paid, albeit not much, to play a kids' game in front of adoring fans and in a community that wants to see them succeed, and perhaps they will act accordingly.
As a (former) Wild Things fan and season ticket holder, I expect more from this baseball organization than what it delivered the night it lost this championship.
Baseball in an of itself is supposed to be the all-American sport, and one of the attractions of the Wild Things was that they delivered a wholesome family-friendly evening at a reasonable price.
In the last season, I've seen this steadily decline. The manner in which the team acted the evening that they lost the championship topped it all off.
This situation shows a lack of Values, which was one of the core elements that originally attracted fans to these games.
The Wild Things' behavior demonstrated a lack of Leadership - from the upper management to the players themselves.
And, this situation is a slap in the face for the right to free speech and all of those who ever fought for it. Did the Wild Things really think that they could avoid a (possible) negative newspaper article by boycotting a reporter? Don't underestimate the intelligence or power of your fan base.
Who wants to follow a team that has no Values, no Leadership, and no Respect? That's not the type of team I want to support. And I won't.
I'd encourage the Wild Things to study hard in college this year. Each of their 15 credit course loads should include Ethics 101, Leadership 101 and Public Relations 099.
Let us put this situation in perspective… Players do not comment after losing a game five I guess people have the right to be upset but look at their situations… Many of these guys will not be back, there are a myriad of reasons: family obligations, other opportunities in life, self realization that playing in the Frontier League is not the correct path for their life, and some just know they did not perform well enough to be back but many will be back and some will be traded.
Put any member of society who has just lost a job, lost out on that big sale after working every angle for months, been divorced, etc I would think one would need some self reflection time. I do not know how the interview process works but I see players being interviewed still in uniform at home so I am assuming the same thing happens on the road. I would assume little positive would have come out of any of them. I think many of us have been taught if you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all.
Knowing a few of the players on a semi personal level just by talking to them before and after games I watch how they interact with the children and other fans, many of whom I think cross the player/fan line. After wins and losses they still sign autographs still make sure the kids had fun at the game, still are very courteous to those who just demand every piece of equipment they carry into their locker room. After Saturdays game I saw a mother crying because she was so touched by how the players treated her children.
These are the things that keep me coming back to the “House of Thrills” cheering for our boys to make it seven straight next year.
This was more than a simple, "no comment," from a number of players who didn't have anything to say. They were aiming to make a statement with their silence.
Why haven't the Wild Things made a statement to the fans?
To the person that signed as 1 Fan.
I guess you didn't understand what happened here. The Wild Things players and coaching staff ambushed Chris Dugan. In doing so they also slapped their fans in the face. If that is the sort of treatment you expect from your Wils Things then I guess you like being crapped on!
So go ahead, buy another season ticket, it's your wasted money!
BTW: Any woman that cries because her child got an autograph needs to see a shrink - PRONTO!!
Say 1 Fan - Your boys just slapped up upside your head and your okay with that?? What have you been smoking? I want some of that stuff!!!!!
No. 1 fan just doesn't get it. But should we be surprised since the person signed it No. 1 fan. This wasn't a simple "no comment," after losing Game 5. This was a boycott and then calling the reporter names as he walked out of the locker room. They didn't have the guts to say anything to his face.
This was a classless act by a classless group of individuals led by - apparently - a classless manager. Anybody who attends a Wild Things game while the great Maz is still manager of this team is a chump.
Ok I have one question for all you so call fan that are disappointed in the Wild Things. When hte Playoff started who woul dhave felt they would lose in game 5 of the championship series. This team played hard and fought hard during the playoffs. Funny if you all was Pirates fan the stadium would be empty. Maybe Chris you just like to write negative things, and maybe the Wild Things are to big for them self. But your job is a full time to write about these players, and what you write in the newspaper is what most see. Even the scouts, would read yor articles and blog before coming to see a player. So if all you write in negative about my players, Yes it would upset me and yes I would respond with a no comment. I guess we forget what it was like with a local wining team, or rememnber how after the games how the player sign autographs till everyone is done or how this a summer job that does not play well. So Chris when you write negative about any sport, look deep into you company and recall what you wrote about the Editor who got arrested. Tell me you did not let up alittle cause of who he was. If you say you report the whole story, let me just ask did you?
Hey, anonymous, you might want to see about getting a job with the Claysville paper. Your writing style (spelling errors, typos, disregard for the facts, random punctuation and capitalization)would fit right in there. As for the Tom Rose story, in no way did he get a break because he had worked for the O-R. If anything, the story was given more front-page play BECAUSE he worked for the paper. Often, stories about these people caught in the child-sex stings are used in the B section of the paper, but in discussing the Tom Rose case, our editors determined that his arrest, conviction, etc., should be front-page news because he was a figure well-known to the public through his coverage of sports for the newspaper. I can guarantee you that any Observer employee who runs afoul of the law will get the same treatment as any other resident of our communities. In fact, some years ago, one of the publishers of the O-R was in an unremarkable auto accident, and he called in to the paper to make sure we picked up the police report and got it in the paper so that no one could say he got special treatment. By the way, if you want to take shots at the paper and question our integrity - and you're more than welcome to do so, because no one should be immune from criticism - buy or borrow a "set" and sign your name. You may agree or disagree with what Dale Lolley, Bob Gregg and Ron Wilson have said here, but at least they were man enough to put their names behind their opinions.
I understand why you would be upset. Any reporter hates it when they get snubbed. However, I thought your article was very childish and suited for a high school paper. If the team won't talk to you, maybe you should just not cover them next season in the local paper.
Gee whiz. That anonymous person that criticized the Tom Rose coverage needs to write something a tab bit more coherent
than that!
Just what on earth were you trying to say?
BTW: It's now Sunday - still nothing from the Wild Things office. I guess they don't get it.
I have e-mailed them with my thoughts - perhaps some of you do should the same!
I did receive a very nice response from Christine Blaine. She seems to be the only one there that gives a damn about what the fans think.
This prolonged silence has,I my mind, already destroyed the sincerity of any response, if there is even to be one, that they may offer. Public relations, despite their protestations to the contrary, seems to be low on their list of priorities!
Well, we do have a bull riding event coming up - seems appropriate doesn't it?
Ron Wilson
Maybe that anonymous person is right. Maybe the OR shouldn't cover them next year.
I don't know what's more pathetic, people targeting the writer or his 'colleagues' coming to his defense.
Create a blog that makes you register your name if you don't like the 'anonymous' feature. Or grow your own 'set' and talk to your employer about it.
Apparently their opinions must have some value, because you respond to them.
John and Ross:
How about the idea of the Observer-Reporter and WJPA not covering the Wild Thing season in 2008.
You gentlemen have been silent on everything else. What do you have to say about my comment.
Please fans, do not buy any Things merchandise, diamond cards, or full or partial season tickets until we hear from the big guys. Or will they pull a silent phase on the fans?
We will be right behind you clapping Wild Things players, manager, and coaches as you march out of town permanently!!!!!!!
Start next year with a completely new sale of playes, manager, and coaches.
I'm just trying to appeal to people's personal integrity, but it they insist on being pusillanimous, I'm willing to let them have that option. But I guess you must support those people who called our writer filthy names behind the cover of anonymity. And just because people respond to inanities doesn't mean those statements have value. Sometimes one feels compelled to respond to idiotic comments because they need debunking. And by the way, there's nothing wrong with coming to the defense of someone when they have been unfairly targeted by imbeciles.
All this discourse is fine and everybody has a right to his/her opinion. Having said that, it just would be, IMHO, better if people that have a strong opinion about the Wild Things would use their real name.
That sort of keeps one out of the class of person that used the filthy reference to Chris. If you recall he was too cowardly to use his name.
To be realistic, I think we all know that this will all blow over and, before too long, the O-R and the Wild Things will both be embracing each other again.
There is too much benefit to each party for this not to be resolved.
The thing about the Wild Things is that they have been guilty of making sure that we think this is "professional baseball". Well, anyone that has been around the game for more than 10 minutes knows that simply is a gross exaggeration.
Yes, it is "professional" in the sense that the players do receive renumeration but hardy professional in the true sense of the word!!
The Wild Things coaching staff, and the players proved, without ANY doubt, to all of us that they are NOT "professional" in ANY way!!
Now their management is showing us all that they are not too 'professional" either. What a loud noise all that silence coming from their front office is making! The continued lack of response is like a statement in and of itself! It sounds as if they don't care what you think - they will issue a statement when, and if, they want to! I think they are going to use the old 'we want to be fair to everyone involved'
politically correct stuff that corporations like to use. I think that they have already taken far too long to get their act together. I rather doubt that any really decisive will EVER be taken - just a tiny slap on the wrist to the coaching staff. Next season you will probably these same gentlemen leading a new crop of Wild Things. I may be all wrong about this and I hope I am. Right now we are still waiting for something 'professional' to out of their office! Honest to God, I think they believe we are ALL just country bumpkins that will fall for anything.
Ron Wilson
For an employee of a newspaper, your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
I stated that the actions toward the writer here were pathetic, but your reaction isn't any more impressive.
Can't imagine Ron Cook blogging to the defense of the 'integrity' of Bob Smizik, can you?
Agree to disagree. Kudos for breaking out the thesaurus though. I agree the Claysville paper could use you though.
Kevin Lauersen
(Not sure why this makes me a Wild Things fan since I'm typing my name, but if it makes one feel better)
Under the threat of repercussions, the players were told not to talk to Chris Dugan. Those instructions came directly from the manager.
This same manager then told Chris Dugan that the players were upset with negative articles about the team and that they wouldn't talk to him.
It seems the manager was the one who didn't like being questioned but didn't have a set of his own to say so. He then used his own players to create a ruse that has blown up in the face of the entire organization. And it should have blown up in his own face by this time.
Kevin,
I think I might have read what you originally wrote differently than you intended it to be read, but that's fine. You seem like an intelligent guy with a good sense of humor, and I can certainly appreciate your opinions. As for Claysville paper, I was born and raised in that community, and the paper is certainly different than when old George Melvin was putting it out. But no matter what I or anyone else says about their shortcomings, they put out a highly entertaining product. Cheers to you, Kev, and feel free to e-mail me at Bewman99@yahoo.com if you'd like to chat further.
Just to set the record straight, the manager never said the players would not talk to me, only that they were upset about articles they felt were negative.
come on fans do you really believe this crap from a disgruntled reporter denied one interview after a tough loss - the coach said no interview and the reporter bad mouths the team after they have all gone home -- stand up fans for the team that we know and love - it is his word vs no comment from the team -- the radio reporter is the greatest the or reported leaves a lot to be desired - many players have complained about misquotes and misinfo throughout the season but have kept to themselves believing it isn't that important what dugan is writing--COME ON FANS DOES THIS REALLY SOUND LIKE THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE WATCHED ALL SUMMER???
WAS THIS ARTICLE ON THE SPORTS PAGE OR ON THE EDITORIAL PAGE - opinions belong on the editorial page not on the sports page -pers. opinions are not news
Yes, this does indeed sound like the team we watched all summer!
Chris Sidick dropping the 'F' bomb more than once within earshot of small children and many of the players throwing equipment when they were ticked about something that happened on the the field. Oh yes, this IS that same team - no doubt about that.
How do YOU know what any of the players thought? No interviews were given. Your fantastic young Winey Things went home sobbing and moaning in complete silence while their fans, such as you and I, were left in the dark about what they were thinking. Was that fait to us? All we do is to provide the money for their rather paycheck! Don't try to pin the entire thing on Mazz unless you know for sure what you are talking about!
Players and coaching staffs are just like any other product or service that one might purchase - you get what you play for. Cheap stuff isn't good and good stuff isn't cheap! The Wild Things management got exactly what they paid for - CHEAP LOW QUALITY STUFF!!!!
Saying that a column belongs on the opinions page shows an utter and complete lack of knowledge. Columns appear all the time on sports and other pages. They are opinion. And since the players decided to be babies instead of men, that's all the writer was left with.
As this being Dugan's opinion versus the no comment from the team, the no comment from the team is speaking volumes about the lack of class from this organization.
And it wasn't just a no comment that was the problem, it was the sackless yelling of names at the reporter after he left the room. Couldn't say anything to his face, but were men enough to yell at him after he left the room.
Classless.
The Washington Wild Things, as an organization, does not participate in blogs, but we believe it is important that the readers of this blog are made aware that the Wild Things’ Organization has spoken to the appropriate parties, and an official written response was sent to the Observer Reporter last week.
Chris Blane
How about putting the Wild Things written response on the official Wild Things web page.
Perhaps the Wild Things should start their own blog under Washingtonwildthings.com.
At least by your response, I now know the Things management is aware of what is going on via this blog and the OR in written form.
Thanks,
PS-how are 2008 season ticket sale going????
Being a player for the Wild Things this year, I hope you understand why I do not wish to give my name. I was not aware of this board until a friend recently made me aware of it. After reading some of this, I am amazed by some of what I have read and heard.
First off let me just say that nobody wanted to win more than the 24 of us on the team. Yes, it was very frustrating how it all happened and eventually ended, but that is professional sports and definitely post-season baseball.
Next, yes some guys should watch what they say at certain times during a game. But just imagine being frustrated at work and how sometimes you just want to let it out. Now imagine all of this in front of several thousand people. Sometimes it just happens, excusable or not.
Finally, Chris, yes some of the guys may not of been happy about some things written, but we don't really mind that, it's part of our job and yours. Our biggest issue was that we had nothing to do with previous teams, we were our own team and that was most important to us. I do not know what your interview with Maz consisted of, or what was said, but we were instructed to give no comment to you. I believe that was Maz's way of protecting a disappointed team. Now for whoever said the immature comments to you, that is on that person and it should not of happened, i apologize for my teammate not even knowing who it actually was.
So I truly believe this issue has gotten way out of hand, but I just wanted to say that as a team we do appreciate all of the fans and hopefully a title will be brought to Washington in the near future.
NO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WON"T INDENTIFY YOURSELF!! If you really ARE a player at least have the guts to own up to exactly what happened! Are you so weak that you let your manager direct you not to express your free speech rights? The world seems to be
full of people that have NO guts!
At some time during a mans life he has to strap on a set of b***s and say that he will not be intimidated - BY ANYONE!
Please, don't be one of those that just 'goes along to get along'!Just look at how the teams reaction has effected everybody concerned.
If what you say is true I suspect that Maz will NOT be returning to the team next year. If he is not fired, he should resign - plain and simple!
If you feel strongly enough to post on this blog, then let us know who you are. The worst thing that can happen is the people will know that you are a 'stand up guy' that will not intimidated.
If you don't wish to let us know who you are then I will NOT even believe you are a player. For all I know you might be a "plant" from the Wild Things office!
as the "player" noted don't pin the actions of one on 24 and as this player was in the same locker room but was not aware of the name calling - i think that this has been blown way out of proportion - if you are telling the players to grow up maybe the reporter would do well to follow the same advice and it does seem that the organization has also addressed the situation and does not pay attention to these blogs so that's good enough for me -GO WILDTHINGS THE BEST ENTERTAINMENT IN TOWN-
I'm the radio voice for the Chillicothe Paints. As someone who has been treated very well by the Wild Things organization over the past 5 years and has had nothing but good experiences with Chris Dugan over that same time, I have no axe to grind with either party.
That being said, what happened was obviously wrong, but it seems like maybe folks should take a step back and get perspective on the subject.
I see no reason to call out a player to identify himself. his valuable and telling response has the distinct ring of truth to it, and I for one believe it. A locker room is a sacred place that most people will never understand. When the privacy of the clubhouse meets to public forum of the media, it can sometimes cause a volatile reaction. You have to balance the public's "right to know" with the team's (not the Organization's) right to privacy. In the sports/entertainment business, the privacy aspect gets largely sacrificed (rightly so) for a measure of fortune and fame (less fortune in the Frontier League).
As with most things, the explanation is probably not as cut-and-dried as observers (no pun intended) would like it to be. Over the course of a 96 game schedule plus play-offs, tempers flare and subside over and over. I've read Chris's work and he's done a very balanced (and good) job. I'm sure most players realize that objectively.
The whole incident is unfortunate, and was likely borne out of the frustration of being so close and falling short (something a member of the Paints organization would know a bit about).
Still, it was a very unprofessional move that should be (and according to Chris Blaine above, has been) dealt with first in-house and then with the public in the form of an explanation.
Atonements should be made, but they should be appropriate. Loss of temper and isolated unprofessionalism can be mended with apologies and an effort to rebuild trust. However, if it was more than just a knee-jerk reaction, and was something maliciously premeditated, then something more substantial should happen, because Chris Dugan is not the type of person that deserves that type of treatment.
It's not up to me to determine which was the case or what should be done. I'd bet the Wild Things organization will do its due diligence and do what is best for the organization and the community they service.
I'm sorry if you don't understand why I don't wish to identify myself Mr. Wilson, it seems Mr. Mitchell does. Your comments were pretty unfortunate in that all I wanted was the truth to be told and that where you say I am weak and etc... I believe in the sanctity of the clubhouse and (right or wrong, agreement or disagreement) I am always going to respect the decision of my manager.
I agree with Ron Wilson that "Maz has to go".
Perhaps Wild Things upper management should recruit Gregg Jelks as a replacement. His team won the Frontier League championship last year with a team that finished under 500 during the regular season. He understands how to manage in the playoff which has not been accomplished by either of the Wild Things prior managers. (I'm assuming a manageral change will if not already has happened)
The quicker Mr. Jelks is hired, the sooner this bad experience both losing in the playoffs and being loosers after the playoffs could be settled.
First and forth most Chris, you report it as you see it. If the players and coaches wish not to comment on it after the game, you just report that. To the Wild Things Players and Coaches, not a good way to represent yourself or the team. The question I have to the players is, did you decide this or was it from someone higher in the organization?
In reading the many blogs here, seem the stadium should be empty. I don’t think so. Next season, the stadium still will be packed with fans, the O.R. will still report the games and WJPA will still broadcast the games on radio and FSN will televise a couple of games.
Seem that the front office has to decide how to clean up the team’s image now. What support will this team have from the local fans? Where will these players be staying during the season? Will the fans come to the game to cheer or boo the team or will they not show up at all?
The players must be accountable for the way they played and the reporter has to write the truthful story, with no personal feeling. He has to be accountable just like the players are.
Question to the Wild Thing organization, how will you take care of this situation, and how will you get back the fans support you seem to have lost?
Having been close to the organization for the past few seasons, I am very saddened to see what someone who was "in the clubhouse all year long" had to say about a fine reporter like Chris. I knowthat Chris has been more than fair in his writings about the team and has probably not commented on a LOT of happenings that might have been detremential to the team and organization as a whole. I'm sure there were a some nights at a few local establishments that we would have found interesting. However, the people who I really feel for are the front office staff of the Wild Things. Some of them have been there from the beginning and felt worse than the players did when they lost the series to Windy city. They lived and died with the Wild Things. However, they didn't hang their heads for long. They got about getting to work on next season. If the players feel that they were treated that BADLY, then I feel it is time for them to give up the dream of PLAYING baseball and GET A REAL JOB, get on with their lives. I would love to switch places with them for a week and let them see what it is like to have a boss hound you all week about your work, trying to pay the mortgage and all the bills that go along with it, put food on the table... in essence, what most of the fans try to do everyday of our lives. I don't have theme music when I show up for work everyday. I don't receive a standing ovation for a job well done. I get a check and hope that they want me back tomorrow. Maybe it is time for these players to see what a real life is like and how priviledged they are to have a community like Washington treat them like star athletes. I also think that it is time for Coach Masserilli to give this up and get a real job also. A TRUE manager would have never let this happen, NO MATTER WHAT. Maz, you had a great run here. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!!!
Chris, keep calling it the may you see it.
Player. Well, have it your way! You may be any one of 24 players , or maybe not! There simply no way to tell. You may have all sorts of physical abilities but you lack moral courage. At some point in your life you will need to develop it!
Ron Wilson
FROM MY WIFE:
I am married to a severely loyal season-ticket holder for the Washington Wild Things. When my husband moved here a bit over 8 years ago, before the advent of the team, he fell in love with Washington, saying this town reminded him of Baltimore when he was young – where people are friendly, kind, courteous and eager to help. Being originally from another place, we quickly found a real home here among the people of this area. Once the team was developed and started, my football lover husband (yea, a Ravens-maniac), tried a game or two of the Wild Things, and there began the passion for the team. The people there call him Baltimore Bill, and he loves it and them with a deep feeling for the boys he calls his adopted sons. And the boys feel the same way about him.
When one of the boys called him tonight about how badly the team felt about the articles and blogs, and how the O-R has reported the team in this article, I went online to read it for myself. I was hurt as the boys were; for them and for the Wild Thing lovers.
In my mind, the “classless act” is the sad reporting of this newspaper most of the time – especially in sports. Come on – the Baltimore Sun you aren’t. Yes, this little Frontier League team has had hard seasons, trying hard to be the best for themselves AND their fans, but this little team has brought more revenue into this area than was ever expected. Look at the businesses moving up to the strip near the field, the new Suites and restaurants; people coming from all over to see a WINNING (and losing at times) team. Well, it’s not like we have a winning baseball team in Pittsburgh to go watch, now do we? Let’s put the Wild Things up against the Pirates and see who wins that?!
No, no one is saying all the stories have to be about glories and wins. It is nice to see the accolades when the boys deserve it, scolds when they do badly. Lord knows, my husband went horse one night after raging at them during their slump. Losses make the team stronger. They tried, they really did. And yes, they lost. Are the fans mad? Yes, we were, but hurt too for the team and the staff of the Wild Things. I have to admit, I fumed over the playoff losses. My fan-atic husband took it all in stride – worrying more over the boys’ feeling than the fans. I ranted and raged like all their loyal fans did, I am sure, but through it all, we love that team and yes, next year my husband will get another season ticket for our anniversary as he has for the past three years. Why? Because through the losses and through the wins, the boys and the staff are what make the “Things” the very special team they are.
Boycotted you? Maybe, but I say good for them. They too have a right to say “no comment”, lick their wounds, sulk, and they have a right to feel the O-R staff has not held this wonderful, hard-playing, hard-working team in the light they deserve. Behind the professionalism of these boys, they are simply boys trying to be pros. They are hurting. I spoke to one tonight, and he tried to put a smile into his voice even when I asked him “what happened?” Did I get an answer – no. He is hurt, as we all are.
I think O-R needs to remember the Wild Things are doing a good job helping expand Washington into a real city of note. Remind your reading public of the glories of the season, the losses and the killer plays; the injuries and the pain – all part of the season, and all part of these boy’s season in the sun and horrible heat.
Please remember the life of the summer season player is hard. They travel to the worst areas, live on a bus or in motels all through the Frontier League, live with strangers here in Washington (to which I applaud these wonderful folk) and get paid very little for the pleasure of playing the game they love dearly. These boys have lives outside the summer season, and I hope it is a good growing time for them.
Will the fans really be back after 6 years of so close and yet so far away? Yes, because the real fans love the sport, the team and what they stand for. The city of Washington and the people here.
My husband said he agrees with Chris – “we’re going to win it next year.” Baltimore Bill says this is the greatest bunch of kids in the world and he doesn’t care what anyone else say.
Finally, the voice of reason
Bawlmerbill,
First these "boys" are young MEN! Nobody is forcing them to play baseball, here or anyplace else! These poor "hurt boys" hurt both their fans, the city that represent, AND their organization with the childish way they reacted to a loss. Life is full of disappointments - they BETTER learn how to handle it. Try sitting around and sulking at YOUR job, don't talk to anyone - you would be unemployed real quick! Of course, that's REAL life - not life as crybaby athletes see it.
I am not the least bit angry that they lost. I think you are missing the point. The fans are angry that the Wild Things ACTED like losers. There is a LOT of maturing these so-called "boys" need to do - now is a good time to learn that people don't appreciate that sort of attitude.
As for the "boys" suffering through the hot summer days, give us a break!!! Perhaps they should try roofing in in summer instead of playing baseball in the relative cool of the evening.
Believe me, the Wild Things are not going to save the area economy. They have already tried to get tax dollars to prop-up their financial situation. The hint that they want to get phony grass again has been dropped by Mr. Swiatek. Would you like to make a wager about where they hope to get some of the money to do it? With all the local mucky leaders strutting around Consol Energy Field like a bunch of peacocks i.e, Tim Solobay, Larry Maggi, Bracken Burns, etc, do you REALLY think the Wild Things won't try to exploit these connections to get our tax money to finance this 'improvement'! We will see!
Now, if you truly think the the Wild Things could compete with ANY major league team then, no offense, you know less about baseball than Mickey Mouse!!
As for winning it next year - that's not as important as having a team that looks, and ACTS like a winner, not like a bunch of children that don't know how to either win, or lose, with dignity!! I don't know exactly what happened at Windy City and I don't know
who was responsible for it, and neither do you! I, like others, am waiting to hear what the front office has to say. However, after rereading your post, you may be correct - perhaps they ARE boys!
Ron Wilson
It sounds like a husband and wife team (the 2 previous commenters).
If it's that people from Baltimore are stupid, I agree.
I'll bet Mr. Falconi is glad the 2007 team no longer plays on a field named after him.
Let us "Consol" that they did not have enough "Energy" after losing in the playoffs to talk decently with Mr. Chris Dugan.
Keep up the good work Chris.
Mr. Falconi thanks half a million for your support the first 5 years.
All of you blogging are talking about the disappointment these "boys" were to all of the "fans" because they didn't respond after the LAST game of the season, which was a total disappointment. If you were real fans you would be appreciating all of the things these "boys" did for you - running bases EVERY game with the kids, letting kids stand on the field for the national anthem next to their favorite players, signing thousands of autographs after games, appearing at schools and events, not to mention playing their hearts out every game to bring home a win - instead of focusing on the one time they didn't want to comment on the way they played. And if any of you are going to sit here and call them "Little League", has beens or wannabes that are not worth your time, then why are you sitting here blogging about them?
If the wife of Baltimore Bill - if I understood her rambling comment - truly thinks the Wild Things would beat the Pirates, I want some of what she's smoking.
I thought baseball players were once called "the BOYS of summer".
I would think, if you loved a team - pro or not - you could forgive a series of bad seasons, not unlike loyal Pirates' fans do every year. The way the Pirates (or, for that matter, the Baltimore Orioles) have been playing, maybe the Wild Things could have beat them.
Yes, the Wild Things might have lost the playoffs again, and yes, maybe they and management did not handle the interview situation as they should have, but true fans of the Wild Things will be back to watch their "boys of summer" next year. And who knows, maybe next year will be their year. We can only hope.
ron wilson,
your the one people should be calling a d**he bag. Did u ever play sports? probably not! did u ever put a glove on your hand? probably not! have u ever been in a locker room? probably not! have u ever been part of a team besides the chess club or geek squad? probably not! did you ever participate (play) in a professional sporting event? probaly not! i bet you dont have an athletic gene in your body. the only thing about sports you know is what you read from a mediocre reporter from the O-R. people like you make me sick. your first complaint on this blog was about not being able to take your blanket to the car once you were already in the stadium. who cares???? your a disgruntled d**he bag that has nothing better in his life to do but complain about any little thing that doesnt go his way. How is your life gonna be any better by hearing what the team had to say? its not gonna make any difference. why dont you get out from behind your computer screen and go to the gym, do somthing athletic? no matter what your response is, im still gonna think your a d**che bag.
that's okay Ron, EVERYONE already thinks your one!
Actually, I think Ron (Not Afraid to Give His Name) Wilson has made some of the most interesting and sensible comments here. Cheers to you, Ron. You've risen above the buffoonery exhibited by others.
Nice. Way to show your true colors anonymous. No guts to put your name to something, but you have the guts to call names and question somebody's character.
Brilliant.
And whether or not somebody has ever played sports should have nothing to do with their enjoyment of watching them or their ability to comprehend them.
I'll bet you've never made a movie. Does that mean you can't have an opinion on them?
So sit there behind your computer keyboard and type away like a big man. But until you grow a pair as Ron has done and put your name to something, nobody is going to take you seriously.
I bet if Mike Arbinger was part of the team this year. This would have never happened. If you read this Mike, just know that this fan missed you this year, and I'm sure many others feel the same way.
As a former player for the Wild Things, I have a few bits on insight on this whole situation.
1. The Wild Thing organization (owners, management, employees, players) are made of stand-up quality people. As a player, I was always treated well by everyone involved in the organization.
2. The Wild Things fan support is incredible and the players understand that most minor league franchises do not have close to the support Washington does.
3. Chris Dugan is a fair reporter. Chris always treated me with respect along with my teammates.
4. The incident that sparked this discussion was unfortunate and should not of happened. The emotion of game 5 led to it, and while it is not an excuse, I can understand the players emotional state after such a disappointing defeat. This is the same reason many managers refuse to have meetings with players right after a bad performance or a loss. They wait until the next day when emotions on both sides have calmed down.
5. Please do not let one mistake determine if you as a fan will attend the games next season. There are countless positives the organization brings to the community which greatly outweigh the few negatives which folks have discussed (anonymously) on this forum.
I attended the Windy City game 5 in Chicago. The team was ready to play and luck just wasn't with them on this night. They went there to win!
From the time we got there until we left well after the game was over, the WILDTHINGS and its fans were verbally abused the whole time!! They were everywhere yelling their rude comments. They just wanted to go back to hotel and be left alone on their last night together as a team. They had had enough!! Can't anyone understand the pressure these boys were going through!! Also management did attend the game and stayed in the hotel with the boys.
They gave us, the residents of the Washington area, something to do on a nice summer night. God knows that this area is pretty boring! I spent most evenings there at the ballpark and can tell you that it was a great time!! I will be back next year and hope most of these players will also. Most of them were wonderful people!!
The reaction to the article from the people close to the players was not good. We felt that it was a very childish article and a big deal was made of nothing! FAN APPRECIATION Day was held on the last day of the regular season!! The players continually thanked the fans during this game.
Washington loves its WILDTHINGS!!
To the individual that called me a 'd' bag. Seems you are no more mature than first person that used that vile term on this blog.
I have probably spent more time playing baseball that you are years old!
Say want you want - write as much as you can, PLEASE do - because the more you do so, the more you show how imbelcilick your thought processes are!
If I make you sick I am truly sorry about that. Perhaps you should go to the proper doctor for treatment - a pcychiatrist! If you are unable to pay for his/her services perhaps I can provide some assistance for you. You know that old saying - "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" is really true.
I remain your cuddly old 'd bag.
Ron Wilson
Funny that someone that works with Jim Wexell of all people would attempt to diminish one's credibility.
Loser.
How on the world is Jim Wexell?
Screwed up the last post- sorry. I meant -Who in the world is Jim Wexell? Never heard of him. Who were you directing this message to?
This topic needs to rest. Unless you know the whole story, then you are assuming. Let the Wildthings enjoy the best season ever and look to the future..
AMEN
Sure, let it rest so the Winey Things can get away with their snubbing of the press and the fans that pay for their existence here in Washington.
They ignored us when they lost and they are still doing it - we need to keep the heat on. Some people are so willing to just throw their hands up and GIVE UP.
Meanwhile, the Winey Ones are sitting in their offices counting the money that we've poured into their coffers!ukkxezi
To the blogger that attended the last game at Windy City. I was shocked to see that Wild Things officials attended the game. They might have, I don't know.
What I DO know is that thr Wild Thing office claims they knew nothing of this situation until late Wednesday. So I guess none of the officials that attended the game were sober enough to notice, or even care about, what was going on!
To the anonymous poster calling these players the "Whiney Things"-
This whole 100 comment battle started because all of you started WHINING about them not commenting after the last game! I think your post is what others refer to as "the pot calling the kettle black". Second, what an idiot you are to bring money into the situation - I can assure you that if money was a concern to these players, they wouldn't be playing baseball in the Frontier League. Third, did you ever stop to consider that they aren't responding to these idiotic posts because they are back in their hometowns working in non-athletic professions because life goes on for them even after baseball season ends???
To the rest of you that are still distraught over this whole issue of not getting quotes from the team:
I was at game 5(yes, another fan from washington was there), and I can assure you that the comments you would have gotten to read from players or fans would have consisted of, "we lost", "Windy City just played better than us today". If you really needed that to avoid this whole list of immature comments (minus a few that actually made sense) then that's pathetic. If you listened to game 5 on the radio, or even just read the recap on the wildthings website you could have figured those comments out for yourselves. They put everything they had left into that game, and that's all you need to know.
Did any of you ever come home from a stressful day at work only to have your partner ask you how your day was? Were there times you just didn't comment or say I don't feel like talking about it? My guess would be yes. Those of you that are parents, were there times after your child was a part of a sporting event in which his or her team lost terribly or he/she made a ton of mistakes? When they got in the car for the ride home and didn't say a word, did you understand and let the silence continue til he or she calmed down? My guess is this has happened to some of you too! Guess what people, baseball players have days like that too. If you've understood and let it slide with partners, children, friends, etc. then what is the difference with the Wild Things?
100! 100 blog comments.
This comment was brought to you by the letter "B" and the number "100"
The Count
Congrats to me on post No. 100!!! CD, I refuse to comment on this accomplishment. You have written nothing, but, well, nothing on me ever! I expect a full color page next summer.
The Count,
You got me by 30 seconds. I refuse to comment on my slowness.
To one of the previous posters: Of course there are times when one has a bad day, but when that happens to me, I actually prefer to talk with my wife about it. Why? Well, I generally don't like to pout and wallow in self-pity. I'm not that self-centered and arrogant. And when someone asks me about my day or some travail I have been through, I have the common decency to give them a response, rather than act like a spoiled brat. In other words, in all of those respects, I am totally unlike the poor babies in the Wild Things clubhouse. And, yes, when one of my children had a tough time, whether it be in a sporting event or at school, I sometimes did give them time to ponder it without pressing them for conversation. But that's because they were CHILDREN, not ADULTS playing a GAME! And even if the players were told to give the O-R writer the silent treatment, one would have thought that at least a couple of them who knew the writer well and knew him to be an honest, decent person, would have had the integrity to say that what they were ordered to do was wrong and speak to the writer anyway. If you look back through history, blind allegiance to supposed leaders hasn't always worked out so well. People who do the right thing, whether or not it's popular with their peers, are the ones who deserve our respect.
The Wildthings officials did attend the game and stayed in the rooms next to the players. Not one player mentioned what happen in the locker room afterwards that night. IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL
dinAre you tired blogging about the "Wild Things? Don't want to hear or read anymore about their collapse in the championship series?
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Sorry about the shamless plug.
And now, back to more bitchin' about the Things.
Anonymous said...
"The Wildthings officials did attend the game and stayed in the rooms next to the players. Not one player mentioned what happen in the locker room afterwards that night. IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL"
Of course, they didn't mention it. Would you run back and tell your boss that you just participated in the biggest p-r faux pas in your company's history?
i have a feeling that a lot of the complaints are from a few common people that probably have never supported the wildthings to start with -- if anyone wants to give up season tickets there will be someone waiting to snap them up - so no loss don't let the door hit you in the ___ - and as was noted all of this came about AFTER the team members were well on their way home and most probably won't even know about this by next spring--while or reporters will still be whining about how the team boo-hoo mistreated him -- and somewhere along the 100+ complained of foul language coming from the dugout -- were you sitting hanging over the dugout with you miracle ear vol on +high to have heard that over all of the stadium noise -- interview the kids that attend the games - see how happy they are -- GO WILDTHINGS BEST ENTERTAINMENT IN WASHINGTON!!!
To those that have defended my previous post, I thank you.
I am almost 71 years old and have dodged REAL bullets in the service of my country (no I was not drafted) so dodging a few insulting remarks from a person that hasn't learned about civility yet is of no major concern to me. There is nothing wrong with that person that a little military discipline wouldn't cure.
People, such as I, that take a strong stand on an issue expect to take these sorts of insults from those that have nothing of value to add to the debate. I appreciate the fact that he at least took the time to express his views.
A few days ago Christine Blaine posted here that the Wild Things had sent a letter to the O-R. I know this lady to be both honest, and sincere. So my question is this; Is the O-R holding some information from us? I have no information about what the contents of this letter may be, but there has been ample time for the letter to have be received by the O-R. Perhaps the contents are confidential. The fact remains we are still being kept in the dark by somebody. This entire issue could, and should have been resolved by now!
Ron Wilson
As a priveliged and proud player of the wildthings.....
Let me first apologize for all of the ruckus (and my grammar/spelling if I get some wrong, math was more my subject instead of english when I went to school, plus I'm still working on my degree)that our silence has caused. It was truly an honor to spend the days of summer in Washington, I was blessed to meet and spend time with the people of Washington and the surrounding areas. But after getting a text message from one of my teammates, and a phone call from another, I had no choice but to read the article and quite a few of the blogs that have been posted.
I have never been one to read the paper during the season, as I find it one of my silly superstitions all of us baseball players/ athletes, heck, humans have. My host dad would tell me to read the paper, "there's some good writing in there about you", but I would ask him to just cut it out and send it back to my home address so I could read it after the season. As such I can't complain about the writing the Mr. Dugan has done about me, in those articles. And I have no problem if in other articles I didn't seem so bright (that's why I don't read them, so I don't dwell on them and let it affect my play). However, as the season went along, there were people that were'nt too fond of Mr. Dugan, so when it was decided that we were not going to have a comment for him after the game, the TEAM stuck to it. Sorry if we hurt his feelings, but believe me when I say we had no intention of hurting those that support us. Why would we do that on purpose, you, the fans, are ultimately the ones that pay us our checks, we know that and appreciate the fact that the fans are the ones that make sure we get to play the beautiful game we tag "our nations pasttime." Whether it was one of us that had a problem with him, or more, as a team we made the choice, and just like game 5, we seem to have died with out choice. I'm stuck thinking of the line Kurt Russell said in Backfire, "you go, we go." Aparently we all went down in a blaze of flames.
So let me apologize for what has been called, immature, classless, "what BOYS do and not what real MEN do," but if I am priveleged enough to be asked by the great organization that the wildthings are for next year (the best organization I've played for, and I have played for others) then I hope you can find it in your hearts to forgive us for any harm or indescretions that we may have imposed to you, our loyal fans. All the best wishes for you and yours,
Player...
P.S. In Mr. Dugan's article he mentions in the 2nd paragraph who the observer reporter covers, and the wild things are second on the list after the Steelers, and I know how big football is for you, I'm hoping we can at least stay in the top two next year. Thanks for making this year one I will never forget and always treasure.
Let's see some examples of where Chris Dugan and the O-R were negative towards the Wild Things. Good luck trying to find some.
Can anyone offer even one example of Chris Dugan's alleged negative coverage – and by that I mean negative coverage that was not supported by observable, factual occurrences on the field – that supposedly led to this clubhouse boycott?
Wow, all we wanted to do was apologize, I guess it's not accepted
it's all good, even you hate us, we still love you guys
player
Player, first of all Who are you? Why are so many of the so-called players so afraid of putting your name after their remarks?
I'll just have to hope you are who you say you are. I for one hold no grudges with the players. Some misinformed bloggers think the fans are angry because of the fact that you lost - NOT TRUE! What happened should not have been allowed by your coaches. The entire team probably would have comments for the print press if you would have won!!
Regardless what the team thinks of Chris, you are the ones that played the game - not him. He had nothing at all to do with your loss. If the team was unhappy with him then somebody should have 'manned-up' and said something a long time ago - your timing was, to say the least, terrible! You made everybody look bad. Why should Chris be the scapegoat for any of this?
It is hard to believe there were that many "followers" and NO "leaders" on the 2007 Wild Things! If somebody on the team would have told you to jump of a 500' high bridge would you have done it???
Speaking for myself, I appreciate your apology,
however the apology should come from those directly responsible for overseeing such matters.
BTW, if there is such a thing as a major league scout at a Frontier League game, one of the things that make a player stand out is his leadership qualities. This is a quality the appears the be lacking throughout almost the
entire organization.
I hope the team, at least the few that will return next season, has learned something from this unfortunate situation.
Ron Wilson
First and Foremost: The players have been very thankful for the support and coverage that Observer-Reporter, WJPA, and FSN do for the organization. The fans are what make the Organization tick and everyone knows that, that is why the players go out of their way to sign autographs at most opportunities, that is why they talk to the folks who wait after the game, that is why when random people show up to take batting practice with the team they allow it, the way the player treated her children over the course of the entire summer is what worked the mother up so much (FYI by the way she is a powerful human rights lawyer so I would assume she has her head on straight).
Ron Wilson, We all THANK you for your service to this country, the player who does not wish to be identified is completely within his rights. He granted the readers inside information from the clubhouse and if there are repercussions to be felt I am sure he does not want to be black balled by the club. Many of the guys in that clubhouse worked their entire lives to be fortunate enough to play in a decisive game for a championship.
What is more condonable: Chris Sidick cursing loud enough for the crowd to hear, that action is bad, do not get me wrong. Let us just compare that to the multiple fans who curse at the players when they fail, sitting feet away from the children?
The players are not even in “real minor league baseball,” great statement. They know that, they make fun of themselves everyday for that fact, they make fun of their manager and coaches everyday for that fact, go ahead and tell them something they did not know.
As for the blanket give away fiasco. That was the best give away of the summer, they only have so many to give away. Let’s think about that one, if we let one person to leave and come back in they could get another blanket. If we let that person go then we have to let everyone leave and then what happens, 2500 people complain because they did not get their fleece blanket. I know, I know everyone in this world is so honorable they would never do that.
The negativity that has been brought up is not when the team fails. When you fail as a professional athlete you deserve what is written. Trust me whatever CD writes is nothing compared to how the players feel. It does not compare to what a player says to his family. The instances that got to the team were when the team succeeded, when they won games and instead of going with the upside of the story all that was focused on was what the team did wrong, trying to pit one player against another or one group(starters vs. hitters or hitters vs. bullpen).
Throughout the history of the organization, I have come to learn, a player would say one thing and then it would be spun to have another meaning. Why you might ask does this occur, to stir the pot a little and create some controversy. The Wild Things, aka: Whiney Things, Wild Losers, the team that does not belong in the Pony League World Series, have to be ultra careful because where there is no controversy there is no story. All the Wild Things have done during the past 6 years is win, there is no controversy in that. A perfect example of this is this message board, CD’s blog hits probably tripled since this story.
Many of the players thank CD for their personal articles or for the full page spreads the paper does. At the same time many of these players have not gone through media training. Yes it does exist and yes you can tell a difference between who has paid attention to the training and who has not.
Getting to the article, Dugan was called a “Geek” when leaving the clubhouse. Throughout the year he has laughed at the comment and even thrown them back at players, now all of the sudden there is no story so it becomes the story and in turn an issue. Many of the players were respectful when they declined to comment after the game.
Here is a novel idea. Do a story on JJ Hollenbeck. The man exceeded most everyone’s expectations when he made the switch to a starter. Great Idea, JJ went to a prestigious military college, VMI, was then signed by the Cubs. He was released after the Cubs said his range of motion in his right shoulder would not be able to handle professional baseball. JJ signed with The Wild Things and worked out of the bullpen last year and the beginning of the 2007 season. Great story, you can take it any number of ways and then the story becomes about his weight.” Weighting His Turn,” okay I can see that one but ask the kid some straightforward questions about it. Do not ask him a majority of questions about his college days and his affiliated ball debacle while throwing some questions about his body.
Many of you are calling for Mazz’s head and one even suggested Gregg Jelks, who I personally have a world of respect for, but the simple fact is Mazz has passed the 100 games over .500 mark while he has been with the Wild Things. Those of you who show up just for games do not see your team is the hardest working team in the league. The players get there at 3 for a 7 game. They go through a full practice then relax. The players are given scouting reports on the other hitters, starters, and relievers. This is what professionalism is about, being prepared to go to work. He does not bunt, he allows his base runners to make their own decisions, he almost forces his starters to go 5 innings to save his bullpen, at times certain pitchers had to be out there much longer than they should have because the bullpen could not handle all the extra innings. Did the fans second guess a lot of his choices, without a doubt. Were the fans knowledgeable in what they were complaining about, in most cases not as much as those in the uniforms. Did the players second guess some of his choices, yes. That is human nature. The Frontier League is a 96 game schedule and you are going to lose at least 25 of those, no matter how good the team is.
Onto the whole base running questions, Chris Sidick led all paid baseball players in triples in 2006. Why? Was he hitting much better, possibly a little, but he was putting pressure on the defense. This year he played the same way except: the outfielders made better throws and the middle infielders made better throws, it is that simple. That is what has made the organization so successful, they put more pressure on the opposition than most other teams year in and year out. On the other hand, there is no excuse for O’Brien and Sidick getting picked off second base in game 4 but it happened and will continue to happen in the game of baseball, it does not matter if it is Washington or another team.
Since I have been following the Wild Things, starting sparsely in 2004 there have been many disappointments in the post season, baseball is a funny game like that. Chillicothe scoring two touchdowns in the first 2 innings in 2005 on 4 hard hit balls, 2007 the Things lost game 5 on 5 hard hit balls, the 2 home runs a double and 2 singles. It did not matter how well the Wild Things struck the ball it found a glove. A couple bleeders here and broken bat single and things might have been different. The Things lost game 3 on a broken bat 2 rbi single that got lost in the lights. They lost game 4 via an end of the bat bleeder that just got over Messner’s head and just stayed fair. They did not execute late but they gave themselves a chance to win. What did the team hear after the game from a majority of the fans, exactly how bad they were, how they would never win a championship, the fans should have added how the players’ mothers should be ashamed of them. What I just wrote is what the players hate the most and it happens all the time. The roster turn around in this league is very large. Each team is its own team, the 2003 WWT do not compare to the 2004 WWT who do not compare to the 2005, 2006, 2007. This is not a league based on year to year success because of that turnover and the way the rosters are set up with Veterans, Rookies, L1s and L2s; it is based on putting the best team on the field year in and year out.
Those discussing the economic impact of Consol Energy Park, keep in mind I do not have numbers in front of me and never will but just think about how many people work a second job at the park. I will bet any amount of money that the mascots fiancé is pleased he was working all those nights. That extra money leads to more money being spent throughout the entire community. Think of those people who make a weekend trip to Washington to see the You Name Them Things play. Think of the 50 some home games that bring 24 players plus coaches to the Crown Center Mall. The antique fair, the driving courses, the concerts.
Windy City giving out free season tickets to their season ticket holders if they went under .500 again is a great promotion for them, they have had a couple of winning seasons in their organizations HISTORY. Their following is terrible; their fans are disrespectful to everyone. There are reasons behind everything and if they would not have turned their history around this year their following would have dropped again. The name of the business is to make money and that is what every franchise in this league is trying to do.
There is scouting that occurs throughout the year but scouts do not look at anything but the numbers, height, weight, speed, velocity, bat speed, but character, leadership abilities, and other intangibles are not considered by a majority in the scouting industry. I guess the team won 55 games in the regular season and 5 in the playoffs without leaders and without any gamers.
The best part about it for the players: The ones who plan on coming back have most likely already started to prepare themselves for next year. A little FYI they make just enough to live on ($600-$1200 before taxes), not including the much appreciated housing and food the community provides, so they are also either working 40-60 hours a week or going back to finish their degree while they are training.
I know that Ross, John, Mazz, and everyone else involved has already started to prepare for the next group of players that will play hard night in and night out to win games and put another outstanding, winning product on the field for the 2008 season.
Good Lord.
Some of you people need to move on, get laid, or both.
Player to the named later!!
First, how much later will we learn your name?
No need to thank me for my service. It is my privilege to have served - I'm sure all veterans feel the same!
Now to your post. If you are going to quote me please be careful to be accurate. I NEVER said the players are not even in a "real minor league" - NEVER AT ALL!!!!!!!
As far as hearing what Chris Sidick said, only a deaf person would NOT have heard it - he said it three times. A lady sitting in the 205 section told me she heard it very clearly. I really don't think it serves you well to try to defend his behavior by saying fans do it too! I'm sure it does happen, usually, I suppose, by somebody with too much beer in them. I have never heard anyone swearing at the players, but I have no doubt it has happened. I do NOT condone that sort of non-sense! You have every right to be treated with respect.
I must assume from the tone of your post that you feel the Wild Things are an honorable group - I don't have any argument with that. However, if you do feel that way then why do you feel that you may be "blackballed" if you exercise you first amendment rights of free speech. NO honorable people would do such a thing to their employees! So why the fear?
As to the blanket issue - you were not there so what revelence does your comment have? It was indeed a great item. However, the administration of it was nothing short of a disaster. One employee told me there were over 200 complaints over the way it was handled. In the USA NOBODY, NOBODY,even the Wild Things, has a right to even TRY to restrict the free movement of the citizens! This is exactly what they tried to do. There is far more to this than you know, but it would be of no benefit to us to go into all the details.
I feel it is best to just leave at that. If you would like the rest of the details I will provide them, but not on this blog!
I want you, if you are indeed a player, to know that my concern at this point is NOT with the players. What is done, is done! I appreciate the fact that all the players give their best effort - ALL the time! The failure of the Wild Things management to respond to the fans concerns if what the REAL issue is, at least as far as I'm concerned. It is they at this point, not the players, that are not even "real minor league"!
So, from my point of view, there is no problem other than management's silence on this manner. We will be there next year cheering for the 2008 Wild Things - the team!
Ron Wilson
Ron,
I do want to thank you for your service in defending/protecting our freedoms, including the First Amendment guarantee of free speech.
However, you wrote: "if you exercise you first amendment rights of free speech" in regards to the rumored gag order imposed by management.
The First Amendment to the Constitution prohibits the GOVERNMENT from infriging upon the free speech of its citizenry. It has absolutely no application whatsoever to employers.
And the First Amendment certainly will not protect the employee should they choose to violate a direct, unmistakable management order to keep quiet.
Employees do not have the right to free speech in the workplace unless it is granted by the employer. Period.
I am so happy that the players have written in to this blog and hope that the players who do not know about it, never will. This whole discussion is stupid! I am proud to be a Wildthings fan and even happier to know most of these boys. They were a fun and caring group of people. They are missed in Washington and we are saddened by their departure!!
Well, if it's stupid than don't don't read or participate in it Geez!!
We will be glad to see YOU go.
I am a fan from Pittsburgh who makes quite a few trips per season out to see the Wild Things. I found this blog amusing on a number of fronts, but will get to the point. Here's what's not going to change - CONSOL Park is a great place to watch a game; prices are extremely affordable; the players have always worked harder than the major leaguers I watch closer to home; they may not beat the Pirates head to head, but they win against their own competition through good playing, hustle and strategy. You don't see that at PNC Park. And my fellow fans are fun to be around. The whole game is always a pleasurable experience.
Just because the players get ticked off and won't talk to a reporter after the game isn't going to affect my world. I don't know the reporter or the players. For all I know he had it coming, or they did when he wrote his column. Either way, it's over and done with. Big deal. Move on. Enjoy football and hockey seasons and get ready for next year.
Fan From Pittsburgh. Don't want to hurt your ego or anything like that but, your mentioned "good playing" - are you kidding?
You can see more misplays in one game here than you will see all season with most major league teams.
Fundamentals is one of the most glaring problems one sees in independent league play, not only in the Frontier League, but everywhere.
I'm Ron Burgundy?
Is Maz still the manager?
Anonymous said...
Is Maz still the manager?
Who knows? He shouldn't be but the Wild Things apparently don't know there is a problem yet!! Perhaps they will wake up sometime before next Spring!! However, that's not too likely.
WAKE UP!! There is no problem. Just because a few people write to a blog, doesn't make this a big problem! You can keep writing all this garbage about the Wildthings but they are all safe at home away from all this mess. If you never come to another game, more power to you. Someone else with a better attitude will be there!
Anonymous said...
WAKE UP!! There is no problem.
Is that so? Try telling that to the Frontier League President Bill Lee. He is just slightly more than unhappy about what happened.
Some people can't tell manure even when they are standing in it, you must be one of them! Perhaps it's time for YOU to wake up!
Ron Wilson
anonymous critizing anonymous for wanting to remain anonymous - a case of the pot calling the kettle black - amen the players are home and for the most part know nothing of all of this nonsense - and who is telling the truth was the wording db or geek?? - most of the negative i have a feeling is from the same disgruntled person -- and as far as bring bill lee in this it seems that someone is privy to info that has NO business in these blogs - i have talked to mr lee on several occasions and he is crazy about this league and the kids - and in agreement with the fan who comes from pittsburgh - none of this will mean squat next year --- but will mr dugan be able to let it go ????
I'll say one thing about the Wild Things. They sure picked the right place to put their team.The area is just packed with morons that will buy their line of bull crap.I've been to 4 games and all I ever saw was was half drunk jerks and 3rd rate, no make that 4th rate baseball!!
They will NEVER see at one of their games again. I won't let the door hit me in the ass.
It all about the money! It's all about them extracting money from your pocket to theirs - and most of you are stupid enough to let them do it!! You deserve to be had.
"They will NEVER see at one of their games again. I won't let the door hit me in the ass."
See ya!
I love the wildthings games
nonymous said...
"They will NEVER see at one of their games again. I won't let the door hit me in the ass."
See ya!
September 30, 2007 7:54 AM
Anonymous said...
I love the wildthings games
A perfect example of two morons
September 30, 2007 9:20 AM
The New York Mets just completed the biggest collapse in MLB history. The only reason that is relevant is the fact that all of the players and the manager spoke to the media. They didn't act like babies despite missing the playoffs. Here is the link in case you want to see how real professionals handle these situations.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3044038
Ron Wilson,
Im not sure what your point is by saying, "In the USA NOBODY, NOBODY,even the Wild Things, has a right to even TRY to restrict the free movement of the citizens! This is exactly what they tried to do."
Do you not realize that basically every single venue in the country has a no re-entry rule?
In a way, you are correct, they cant restrict the free movement, but an organization does have the ability to restrict entry to their facility.
Also, it was clearly stated on many of the flyers and schedules that they handed out every night that there were only 1500 that would be handed out. If it was that important to you to get a blanket, go up and camp out the night before.
In all honesty, the Wild Things organization has spoiled the people of Washington by letting them do just about whatever they want, especially with not enforcing a a no re-entry policy. Do me a favor, go to a Pirates game when they are giving out a bobble head doll and ask them if you can go put it in your car.
as a windy city fan, i find all of this very comical. i would like to know exactly what are the "disrespectfull" comments are that we windy city fans say...is it any more disrespectfull than game 5 starter for washington, tom cochran, trashing the clubhouse w/ a bat after being lit up in 1 1/3 innings...sore losers produce sour grapes...
To the person that wrote
"Do you not realize that basically every single venue in the country has a no re-entry rule?
In a way, you are correct, they cant restrict the free movement, but an organization does have the ability to restrict entry to their facility.
Also, it was clearly stated on many of the flyers and schedules that they handed out every night that there were only 1500 that would be handed out. If it was that important to you to get a blanket, go up and camp out the night before."
Don't be such an idiot - I never said I did not get a blanket - I also know
about the re-entry rules. BTW: You really should not mention MLB in the same blog about a Frontier League team. It's like putting a Kia on the same level with a Cadillac! Not the same thing at all. If you want to trash me you crap head,at least put your name at the end, don't be so gutless.
Ron Wshwilson
How do you know Tom Cochran did this!!
You don't like anything.
You don't like the blanket policy.
You don't like the talk of aritificial grass.
You don't like the manager.
You don't like the fact that John Swiatek didn't respond to your email.
You didn't like the fact that you thought John & Ross didn't go to Windy City (even though they did).
You aren't concerned about the players.
You don't like it being called "professional baseball" even though you granted that it is.
So why do you buy the damn tickets?
Oh, and one other thing, you said (to the 'player' who remains unidentified), "at some time during a mans life, he has to strap on a set...and say that he will not be intimidated." Answer this: did you take your blanket to the car when you felt your "right of free movement" (not a constitutional guarantee by the way) was infringed? Or do you still need "a set"?
You're a miserable, crotchety, complaining, sad, lonely, pitiful old man.
You don't like anything.
The person who said that sounds like a rectum specialist (polite way of saying asshole).
Thanks Ron Wilson for speaking out!!
Ron is on target regardless of his age. Some of these punks need put in their place and I am not referring to the players but the "homers" who condone imperfection.
I agree with the person who said Ron Wilson doesn't like anything!!
I think the Windy City fan let the cat out of the bag. If the visiting club house was trashed, then I would think the team (players, manager, coaches, general manager, and team president) would not want Chris Dugan to see the mess. This idea about not talking to the OR reporter because they did not like what he wrote in the season may have been made up so he would not see the trashing. Reporting on the trashing would have been a hotter topic than snubbing the reporter and newspaper that gives the greatest free publicity in addition to being a corporate sponser for the team.
If the trashing took place, "what a class act". Several years ago, the Kalazamoo team trashed the Washington Ramada Inn after a loss. Was this why the Wild Things switched hotels for the visiting teams? (The home team pays the hotel bill for the visiting team and probably expenses occuring when trashing takes place) Was this also another reason Bill Lee, the FL commissioner was unhappy with the "whole" situation?
I wonder how much the Mets trashed their club house after the great melt down in baseball history?
The clubhouse was not trashed, CD saw the inside of it. There are no media rooms like you see on television in this league, the clubhouse is where the reporter goes. You are correct in the home tam pays for the visiting teams hotel. There is a formal bid process that occurs before the season starts for the teams to figure out the best financial situation. Any other expenses, such as vandalism, come out of the players checks. It happens all the time from the high school ball through the Big Leagues. Just watch, SportsCenter will do a Top Ten Baseball Blow Ups of all time either in the post season or sometime next year.
WOW WHAT A HOT TOPIC IN SLEEPY WASHINGTON - THE WILDTHINGS ARE A POSITIVE ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY - EVIDENCED BY THE LARGE TURNOUT EACH NIGHT - A FEW PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY ALL OF THE TIME A FEW PEOPLE WILL NEVER BE HAPPY BUT MOSTLY THE MAJORITY WILL BE HAPPY MOST OF THE TIME. - NO ORGANIZATION IS PERFECT BUT YOU TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD - THE KIDS LOVE THE WILDTHINGS AND THE WILDTHINGS ARE REALLY GOOD WITH THE KIDS AFTER THAT WHO CARES - BE THANKFUL THAT YOU HAVE THIS VENUE OF ENTERTAINMENT FOR 4 MOS. OUT OF THE YEAR - NO ONE IS FORCED TO ATTEND A GAME - NONE OF THE PLAYERS, STAFF, MANAGEMENT OR OWNERSHIP IS PERFECT BUT ALL IN ALL THEY ARE A PRETTY GOOD GROUP WHO LOVE BASEBALL. THE PLAYERS ARE HERE FOR 4 MOS. BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THE TEAM EACH YEAR THEY HAVE TO STAY IN SPAPE DURING THE OFF SEASON - BASEBALL FOR THEM IS A FULL TIME COMMITTMENT ALONG WITH WORKING AND OTHER COMMITTMENTS ONCE THEY LEAVE WASHINGTON - SO LIGHTEN UP - I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE 2008 SEASON!!! THE TEAM - THE WILDTHING AND THE WHOLE PACKAGE - I LOVE IT AND OUR GRANDKIDS LOVE IT!!!
Learn how to type properly.
All caps is not proper grammar!
I believe the person who typed in bold was trying to relay a message. Is it not true that when a letter is typed ibn bold, that the person is yelling?
WOW I MUST BE RIGHT IF THE ONLY THING THAT THERE IS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IS TYPING IN CAPS - FINALLY AN END TO THE COMPLAINING AND ON TO IMPORTANT SUBJECTS LIKE YELLING (NOT)AND IMPROPER GRAMMAR(SINCE WHEN IS CAPS VS LOWER CASE A GRAMMAR ISSUE) - GIVE ME A BREAK - GO WILDTHINGS !!!
Professionalism is a 2 way street. Headlines such as "WEIGHTING HIS TURN" are not professional but personal in nature. They are not funny or cute and I believe the players silence after game 5 was a personal response to a personal headline that ran prior to the playoffs. This is not about the fans so the fans need to get over it. No other headlines in the OR are personal in nature and that was way over the line. The privelege of the clubhouse and being teammates allows players to bust on each other but that's where the line is drawn. Just because a reporter covers a team every night does not give him the right to cross that line. What is written in the article is immaterial after seeing the headline and photo. I read Byron's opinion in yesterdays paper, obviously someone else who doesn't get it. Players protect their own and in this case they were protecting JJ Hollenbeck. Don't make more out of it than what it is. Players were responding personally to a headline about one of their teammates. PERIOD
There have been plenty of athletes over the years who became better players because they dropped some weight, and that often has been the subject of stories in newspapers. I wish someone would write a story about me if I'm ever able to get this spare tire off my midsection. It makes a nice excuse for the Wild Things' inexcusable behavior to say they were sticking up for a teammate against that mean old Chris Dugan. He really should apologize for hurting their itty bitty feelings.
Just to set the record straight, the writer of a story DOES NOT put the headline on the story. That is the job of the page designer or the person editing the story. If the players really were so upset about this headline – if they read the story, then they'd see it was about how losing weight has helped make J.J. Hollenbeck a better starting pitcher, giving him more endurance - why did they wait more than week to to "protect" their teammate? They sure were happy to talk about their wins in Game 3 against Gateway and and Games 1 and 2 over Windy City. I guess their teammate didn't mean much after a win.
When the team won game 3 they had just returned from Gateway and games 1 and 2 were in Windy City. Players don't always get to see the paper or hear about stories in the paper until after the fact. That does not excuse those types of headlines. A story about losing weight is much different than the negative headline delivered in this case. WEIGHTING HIS TURN could be viewed as someone finally getting their chance to play but had to lose weight first. I said in the previous post that it was immaterial what the article said. The headline and photo were the negative and have more impact than the story itself, THAT'S WHY IT'S A HEADLINE. If someone doesn't care about the Wildthings or baseball they would not read that article but would still read the headline and look at the picture. More thought has to be given by whoever is putting the headlines to the story. The OR cannot defend the fact that the headline was classless and in bad taste.
In addition, can someone tell me how Byron thinks that the silent treatment the team gave after game 5, takes away from everything good that happened here over the past 5 years prior to this one? I'm sure Brad Hensler and Jon Cahill and many other players would be highly disappointed with those comments.
Bryon's column in the OR was right on target.
Chris, please attach it the Wild About Things blog so everyone can see and comment on it.
Thanks
I wonder if the OR will be devoting less coverage to the Wild Things next year because of this?
I agree with previous anon. Byron's column was placing a lot of negatives on a team that turns it's roster over at a high percentage annually. He did agree with the letter Swiatek wrote though, obviously because it made the OR look right.
MLB fines coaches and players for not talking with the media. To my knowledge the Frontier League does not have a policy like that in place. Therefore, on a nightly basis there could be silence from the players, coaches etc. That has obviously not been the case during the 6 year history between the OR and the team.
I believe the team has talked with the media in the past after playoff and championship losses so one has to wonder, what was the difference this time?
For every stimulus there's a response. The OR supplied the stimulus the team supplied the (non) response.
Anonymous said...
You don't like anything.
You don't like the blanket policy.
You don't like the talk of aritificial grass.
You don't like the manager.
You don't like the fact that John Swiatek didn't respond to your email.
You didn't like the fact that you thought John & Ross didn't go to Windy City (even though they did).
You aren't concerned about the players.
You don't like it being called "professional baseball" even though you granted that it is.
Thank you so much for your articulate and well thought through comments. It is indeed people as you that keep this country great - they exercise their right to free speech. You are to be commended.
It is also great to see that you got over half of your information incorrect, but no matter to me. You comments show your lack of clear thinking. As I matter of fact, I don't care not one tiny bit if you like me OR what I have to say! I you don't like it I would strongly suggest you don't read it! I really don't want you to get so worked up.
You also said;
"Oh, and one other thing, you said (to the 'player' who remains unidentified), "at some time during a mans life, he has to strap on a set...and say that he will not be intimidated." Answer this: did you take your blanket to the car when you felt your "right of free movement" (not a constitutional guarantee by the way) was infringed? Or do you still need "a set"?
Well, yes I did. BTW,It is the Wild Things policy to permit reentry unless you leave to go chase a foul ball. If you don't believe me, please check with Mr. Swiatek - he is the person that told me this!
As for a "set" - if mine were as big as as a grain of sand they would still be bigger than yours (if you even have a set), because I not afraid, as you have proven to everyone that you are to use my name. I put my name to what I write. You are, in short, a coward. I'm sure you don't even know what a "set" is, even if I hit you in the face with them.
I am SO HURT by all this that I am now going to my mom and cry! I hope your are happy now!
To the ones on this discussion that care about the issue, I think it has now been properly addressed by Mr. Swiatek and is probably no longer an issue.
Ron Wilson
Can we just put this topic to rest already? I mean, seriously, the post count is 155 and counting! I've never seen a blog have this many posts with the exception of probably Mark Cuban's blog. I think it's about time all this chaos comes to a close right now...
Big bad O-R hurt the fat kid's feelings by pointing out he had lost weight and it made him a better player. Wow.
Was the article talking about the chubby pitcher or the third base coach?
Anonymous said...
Can we just put this topic to rest already?
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Sure, I agree with you on this one. I am getting bored with all the spineless Internet character assassins that are posting here. I don't mind taking the heat for what I say, or for what I believe. I would, however, like these individuals to grow up enough to realize that I don't like having my good name dragged through the mug while they hide behind Mom or Dad's computer.
A person is always a product of his/her environment in addition to their upbringing. Some of you are sure making your parents look pretty darn bad!
To the REAL people that responded to my postings, good or bad, that had the decency to give their names, it was great to read how you feel about the issues.
I truly hope the Frontier League will make a greater effort to advance baseball rather than worry so much about their bottom line. Some of their policies are certainly regressive and do nothing to enhance the integrity of the game. Perhaps if they would make some MAJOR improvements they could actually gain some press recognition, and respect. This incident with Chris Dugan proves they, at least up until now, do not know how to deal with the media. at least in any way that would enhance their image.
So, I will no longer respond to those that just want to "wolf" at me. By the time they grow up enough to make a half-way intelligent remark, this old fart will probably be dead! So, go ahead, fire away!!!
Ron Wilson
Ron,
I'm not sure how this is a League-wide issue, unless you're aware of "No comment" scenes with other franchises.
This was a one-time, one-team, apparently one-issue event. It was badly mishandled by the team. But I don't see it as representative of a Frontier League problem needing addressed in 11 other clubhouses.
Appreciate your comments.
I wonder if the "Negative Stuff" 2007 team will be part of the OR's book Remember Local Sports History or will the OR snub the team?
Okay, this topic is closed then...
Generally, when you're compiling a book of great sports teams and athletes in area history, you don't include a team from the lowest form of pro baseball that didn't win anything.
Well put Brandt!!
Sandlot baseball played the way it should be - by has-beens and others that don't know the first thing about REAL baseball!
To Brant Newman,
Have you ever heard of Joe Thatcher, Brendon Donnelly, Jason Simontacchi or Morgan Burkhart? These are just a few of the players that started their careers in the Frontier League and made it to the majors.
The Frontier League is an opportunity for non drafted college players and affiliated released players to prove themselves and maybe get another shot or their first shot in affiliated ball. The FL has a tremendous amount of players that have been signed to contracts over its 15 yr. history. Players in the FL are here to showcase themselves and get an opportunity to move on. Winning championships is nice but every player in the league would rather sign a contract with a MLB team than win a championship. That's why the players play for the low salaries, it's about opportunity. I would have thought that would be understood around here by now, considering the team has been here for 6 years and has had several players signed to MLB contracts. Maybe people should know what the product and the mission of the league is about, before throwing out all the "lovely" negative adjectives being used to describe the players and the league.
A previous blogger blasted your paper about an article that was written and I saw some defensive and low brow remarks from the papers employees on this blog. Maybe a "no comment" would have been a better way to express yourselves. Just a thought.
We have not heard from Randy Gore, the voice of the Wild Things. If anyone would know the inner happenings of what is going on , it would be Randy. Perhaps Bob Gregg reponding on this subject is done to keep Randy clean and out of the picture. I assume WJPA needs Randy to be the broadcaster in 2008 and it is not easy to find an announcer willing to make the bus rides like the players. Several managers and coaches in the FL in the past have not ridden the bus including Kent Tekeleve.
As far as being signed to major league affiliates, many are the example of Pat O'Brien who was signed only because the affliate team needed another catcher during spring training. Another example is Brandon Ketron who after 1 year plus with the Yankees A team has had less then 20 at bats. Yes several have made the majors, but most when signed by an affiliate are used as an additive to ground meat. (filling an emply roster spot at a cheap price). However all try with that hope of making it to the majors.
I still play the Pa. lottery in hopes of making it to the finanical major league someday.
"We have not heard from Randy Gore, the voice of the Wild Things. If anyone would know the inner happenings of what is going on , it would be Randy. Perhaps Bob Gregg reponding on this subject is done to keep Randy clean and out of the picture."
Randy's postings, or lack thereof, is totally of his own choosing. There has been no directive, pro or con, about this blog.
"I assume WJPA needs Randy to be the broadcaster in 2008 and it is not easy to find an announcer willing to make the bus rides like the players."
We certainly hope Randy plans to return for the '08 season. He has done a good job for us, one which some of us wouldn't want to do (I'm waaaayyyy too old to be sleeping on a bus every other week for three months). But, like players at the League tryouts, there is NOT a shortage of people willing to ride that bus as the "Voice of the Wild Things." We get tapes and inquiries all the time from people who want to be the next Randy Gore or Ned Bowdern. Fortunately, I get to tell them that we don't have an opening on our broadcast crew.
I have no problem at all with Frontier League players "chasing the dream," even though I think the vast majority of them are delusional if they think they have any chance of making it in the majors. But that's their business. However, after 40 years of watching baseball at all levels, I feel very safe in saying that a good college team would regularly defeat Frontier League squads. That doesn't mean it's not a decent product. I have taken in a good many Wild Things games and have always enjoyed myself and appreciated the skills of the players and the offerings at the ballpark (including a nice selection of cold, refreshing beer). And despite the players' and manager's shabby treatment of my friend and colleague, and by extension the fans and community that supported the team, I'll be back next year. The "silent treatment" after Game 5 was an isolated incident, and in the grand scheme of things it's a pee in the ocean, but that doesn't mean it should be above criticism. And I don't believe it's wrong for anyone, including people who work at the newspaper, to take part in the discourse and attempt to correct some patently false statements made here. I also don't take personally any of the remarks made in this highly enjoyable give and take that the Internet makes possible. However, I do have a lot more respect for people like Bob Gregg and Ron Wilson who put their names behind their comments.
Randy Gore probably is the best available, as least for now. However, I don't really share the belief that he is anywhere near being outstanding.
First, Randy needs to improve his diction! I have yet to here him pronounce the word 'swing' correctly. He also needs to learn some new ways to describe the action. "He hits a fly ball into the air" is hardly the way to describe a fly ball, do not all fly balls go into "the air"? How about the word 'potential' - if Randy uses that word less than 10-20 times a game I'd like to know just how often he does use it - waaay too often!
I don't mean to 'pick' on him but he really does need to find some new ways of describing the action other than using the same old words and phrases over and over.
Randy is a realy good person who would never say anything that might offend someone. His not being a part of this discussion makes sense, if you know him.
anon,
Regarding your suggestions for improvement, isn't that exactly what the Frontier League is about, people working on getting better at what they do?
I've been at this for more than 30 years. And I was probably almost a teenager before I realized that there was something other than baseball on the radio.
Randy does a good job communicating the action of Wild Things baseball night after night. He and I have engaged in numerous discussions about areas of improvement as well as areas of strength. He works very hard at preparing every single night, and has taken the constructive criticisms offered to heart, and put them into practice.
I'll take one Randy Gore anytime over a whole bunch of people who have no idea how to do a job and even less interest in how to do it better.
Thank Goodness, I think this crao has FINALLY run it's course!
It looks like Joe Torre will be available as a manager.
By the way all you "fans", the team is called the Wild Things. Two words, not Wildthings. A fan should know what their team's name is.
Very nice info-mercial on The Things. Chris Dugan was very kind in his remarks.
There was no mention of the end of year silence on the program.
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